Mid-Cycle Question
First time posting, so please forgive my ignorance on some items:
Male 46
6’3” 235lbs and 17% body fat (estimated)
Active my whole life and have done 5 or 6 cycles during my life.
I am in ongoing TRT which includes 220mg of Test CYP and 500 units HCG weekly along with .5mg of Arimidex (also weekly) to keep my Test at 700 at the low point and Estrogen about 30.
I am 5 weeks into a twelve (12) week cycle that looks like the following:
600 mg of text CYP (on top of the TRT dosage) – weekly for weeks 1 thorough 8
300 mg of EQ – weekly for weeks 1 through 10
Winstrol 50mg/EOD for weeks 7 through 12
Test Propionate/ EOD for weeks 9 through 12
My questions:
Do I need to increase the use of Arimidex (or other AI) to compensate? No itchy nipples or the like but some water retention, loss of libido, and some flushing of upper chest.? Having blood done next week.
Is it okay to be on HCG during the cycle?
Thank you in advance for your help
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Okay folks - just go labs back.
To recap my cycle is
820 mg of Test weekly (220 mg TRT and 600 Cycle)
300 mg of EQ
Will be going to Test Prop EOD in two weeks
I am also taking .5 mg arimidex EOD (you will see probably not enough)
2830 - TESTOSTERONE1 >3000 NG/DL 292-867 H F (off the charts)
4142 - TOTAL ESTROGENS2 374 pg/mL
Should I move to 1mg daily of Arimidex?
All,
Thank you for the replies as I stated this is my first post and I truly appreciate the advice. My current cycle was chosen as an novice entry. In my past cycles (2-3) were all administered by my trainer, so this is my first dive into going it alone. Now that I have my source worked out I will finish what I am doing and then move to something a bit more advanced.
A couple of questions:
During my last four (4) weeks I am running Winny, can I also run Anavar? I have had success in the past just being on Winny / Anavar.
After PCT how long should I wait to start my next cycle?
What gauge needle is best to use? I was handed down some from a friend (23g) who didn't like needles and the gauge seems too small for Test
Again, appreciate everyone taking the time to read and give advice,
TTT
I don't have experience with winny or var so I will leave that to the guys who do and give you some advice regarding pct and needles.
You should wait at a minimum until you have been off cycle for as long as you were on + pct. Also, just or of curiosity why are you going to run a pct if you are on TRT and what will it look like? It is not a bad idea IMO to run a mild ai or SERM for a few weeks after even if you are on TRT just to prevent any estro sides while all of those compounds clear your system but pct is really about restarting your natural testosterone production which is irrelevant if you are on TRT.
As for the needles, honestly I wouldn't go ANY larger than 23 g (and by larger I mean "lower" like a 21 g). The larger the needle the more of a risk you will run of developing obstructive scar tissue which will make future injections in that site difficult and can negatively impact absorption.
I would recommend a 25 g 1.5" for lower body sites and a 27 g 1" for upper body sites. If you feel it necessary you can probably get away with a 23 g for quads and glutes but make sure to rotate your sites and don't hit them any more than once per week.
Personally I draw with a 20 g then change to a 25 or 27 depending on the injection site for actual pinning. If you take this route make sure to closely inspect the inside of your vial and syringe before every injection. The larger needle can break off little pieces on the rubber stopper and you DO NOT want to be putting that into your muscle tissue.
The smaller needles do take longer to get the gear through but trust me avoiding scar tissue build up is well worth it. Also slower injections tend to lead to less pip if the gear is clean and brewed right.
Hope this helps, sorry I couldn't help with the var or winny. Personally I don't like to give advice until I have first hand experience with a compound.
All,
Thank you for the replies as I stated this is my first post and I truly appreciate the advice. My current cycle was chosen as an novice entry. In my past cycles (2-3) were all administered by my trainer, so this is my first dive into going it alone. Now that I have my source worked out I will finish what I am doing and then move to something a bit more advanced.
A couple of questions:
During my last four (4) weeks I am running Winny, can I also run Anavar? I have had success in the past just being on Winny / Anavar.
After PCT how long should I wait to start my next cycle?
What gauge needle is best to use? I was handed down some from a friend (23g) who didn't like needles and the gauge seems too small for Test
Again, appreciate everyone taking the time to read and give advice,
TTT
If you hadn't started already I'd say double the eq dose and extend the duration, but since you're at week 5 you're just wasting it, I'd agree to drop it like the others said. That dose is useless as is only 10 weeks of it. If you have arimidex on hand, then yes, start it immediately, i'd start at .25mg ed due to the short half life I think eod is unstable. It can be adjusted after your blood test next week. If you don't have it yet, then your blood test will tell you if you definitely need it. If estro without the ai comes back say, under 70, I wouldn't take anything for fear of crashing estrogen.
drop the eq, its not enough noir is it long enough to realize the potential it offers.
Your TRT, drop the prop and let cyp ester come down gradually
orals for no longer then 4 weeks- research winstrol split the dose
HCG is useless for you on cycle your TRT.
Run bloods and adjust the adex- be the smartest guy in the room
Bro,
I am on TRT as well. I would suggest you maintain the 600 mg of Test Cyp out through week 12 and drop the prop. You're not headed into PCT and should let the Test Cyp plasma level gradually sink back on its own.
The 300 mg of EQ isn't really doing anything for you, so I would drop that as well.
If you're looking to harden up and dry out a little bit with the Winny, it's not a bad choice as it reduces the effect of SHBG and will make test Test more effective, but in the interest of maintaining stable blood levels I would use 50 mg ED for no more than 4 weeks here. Running it longer in my mind on a 12 week cycle is just a bit of overkill. The Winny tabs have a half-life of like 8 hours so I would break it up 25 mg AM / PM.
I don't see the point of being on HCG for the cycle as a TRT patient like myself. As far as the adex is concerned I would start with 0.25 mg eod. If you're really not gyno prone you could even go with 0.25 mg e3d and let your E2 rise a little - you'll get better mass gains with a little more estro going.
Let's see the bloods though before making a final determination on the AI and don't freak out with E2 running a little high unless you are getting gyno symptoms.
AnonWhy do guys run hcg on trt? Im curious because I have no clue about how that works for trt guys. You arent going to run pct so I dont see why you would need hcg on cycle. I would appreciate any explanation for that.
You will definitely need to increase your adex, not sure what your dose would be. See how your bloodwork looks. I need about 0.5mg eod for a test dose like you are running, everyone is different.
That dose and duration of eq is too little. Should be run a bit higher and longer to get some real benefit. You are on trt, why not just run a longer cycle since you dont have to worry about pct? Would make more sense if you want to use eq.
Whats your goal for this cycle? Bf% is a tad bit higher than i would recommend on cycle, whats your diet look like?
From what I understand it's for fertility. Or to feel like you still have balls lol But the doctor shouldn't be prescribing it unless a child is being planned. It just raises estrogen.
AnonMakes sense I guess. I will have to research it more, thanks man.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYup. At 800mg I would use .5-1mg eod. Bloods will tell. Hcg 250iu twice a week will keep your nuts plump. Guys say it makes recovery easier. I run it this way. If I were you I would stay at 800 for at least 10 weeks, 12 would be better. Cyp really doesn't start kickin until week 5.