+ 10 Lots of Gear - not looking that great
I'm sure this is going to kill my karma but I've got to say it.
It seems like there are lots of people taking huge amounts of gear and not really looking that great. I see some people's cycles and they are juicing like pros but looking like they don't really even train. I'm not saying anything to anyone specifically. Lots of you guys are looking awesome. But...
Am I the only one who's noticing this? Or mentioning this?
I think people need to get their diets in check, training in check, sleep in check, then maybe consider adding a little enhancement. I probably turned to gear way to quickly and wish someone had taken the time to discuss this with me.
It seems to me that many people are encouraging huge drug regiments to people that just need to eat right and lift properly.
I would feel bad if I were telling people to get all juiced that had no place even touching the stuff for probably 8 months if ever.
I'm not a fan of telling people what to do but why isn't anyone mentioning the obvious??
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Yes, this is true. One conclusion that I have reached is that the really big dudes, in addition to being genetically gift to respond to training stimilus are also genetically gifted to be very excellent chemical responders as well. That is why you see some pros that have really crappy form in their videos that no one else could ever gain from if they trained in that style and form. They are excelling because their chemical response is good enough to overcome their crappy training. Some people like Levrone are just born to blow up on the chemicals. Remember how he stopped training 8-9 months every year and then would come back to blow up in 12 twelves and win shows. Amazing.
WithdrawlSO TRUE about the real big guys being better chemical responders. On top of having freaky genetics they also respond to steroids better than the average guy.
I hear ya dude. I have a friend same height as me and is taking 850mg of npp, 250 test and he's big but no hard definition and is only 25lbs heavier than me (im dieting and have a smaller frame) The muscles don't look hard or full. He doesn't do any cardio when "cutting" and eats like garbage and never has any intention of competing. And his form is terrible, benches half way, rounds his back all the time and that drives me crazy ( I trained with old school power lifters and one of the smartest trainers I ever met with form so I'm a stickler for form)
This is real shit right here...Its all about Diet and Technique. I hardly ever see anyone do correct form at the gym, they don't contract their muscles, just move some weight around
WithdrawlYes, form is key! For 17 years I thought I was doing it "right" until a local pro schooled me on form. What a huge difference it makes not only in size, but in,muscle shape and aesthetics. Varying rep ranges have made a big difference for me too.
BigBmajI had the same experience. Mr Universe 1970 (something) came and trained with me for a week about two years ago. (I'm just looking this up now and noticing that I'm not sure when or where he won Olympia or Universe anyway...) I was super lucky to get to work with him. He explained that all I was trying to do was go for an amazing stretch and an even more amazing squeeze, that's it. If I'm not feeling that I'm doing it wrong. It took me a long time to really feel all my muscles. I'm still learning everyday, somethings like chest are just coming along now.
Yoga helped too. I learned that tight muscles don't like to contract as well. And that learning to relax a muscle is as important as learning to squeeze a muscle. I also learned about the importance of proper breathing. Something I thought I knew.
WithdrawlI feel way more comfortable taking advice from someone who looks the part.
RustyhookerThen Llewellyn and his 11 volumes of gear talk over the last 15+ years goes into the trash. Dan duchaine too. ;)
Some fellers teach....other fellers DO.
WithdrawlI'm not saying I wouldn't follow their advice. I just meant that on forums like these, without knowing very much about each member, I feel more comfortable with those that have the look, and have experience with the drugs they're talking about. By no means am I discrediting those "gurus" that have extensive knowledge. I was just making a general statement on message board/forum sites like this one.
AnonWell the thing is, the Gurus here actually do look the part , every bit the part.
WithdrawlJust another reason why I love this site so much
RustyhookerI know bud...just bustin the balls. The advice anywhere ya get it is always "consider the source". The gym's huge dude who just sells anthing is just as bad. Luckily here anthing posted can be readily disvussed, reasearched,, validated and/or dismissed. There's a good mix of experienced folks of all ages and sizes.
Now if i have a training partner....i definitly want the big Fokker that makes me feel puny. It forces ya to keep up and push harder. Musclehead then sees me outpushing and a goot competition and workout happens.
WithdrawlYou're right about the big dudes being just as bad sometimes. There's a monster at my gym who does crazy shit and gives bad advice. He does things terribly unhealthy and had a heart attack at age 37. I guess it goes both ways lol.
RustyhookerYessir!! One of the bigger guys asked a few questions a while back. Been juicing for years and very big. Claims he's never heard of anything we chat as a norm here. I showed him the site and suggested he reads a bit. Lol! Horse to water.....
BigBmajIts tough to know who's advice to take. I've read all the Anabolics books and don't feel like I really learned that much. I also constantly read medical journals and free the same way. There is just so much useless information out there. I was looking at those anabolic/androgenic charts just laughing thinking "this shit was determined by doing biopsy on some rat tissue". I'd rather just go talk to someone who's got a few cycles under their belt and see what's really up.
Someone the other day told me to believe nothing I hear and only half of what I see. I like that.
RustyhookerTrue that! Thats one reason i like to rely a lil more on matching compounds and Esters. Then dry is dry....wet is wet. Let food hit it either bulky or trim it down. Every body is different and reacts different even with the same compounds. "on hand" makes more sence after finding your bodies reactions.
RustyhookerIm all natural. I just like chatting.
ive always went for the bulk rather than the over all physique now im really getting my diet in check and trying new things and im really loving the way im looking. im not tall so i got to becareful at the mass i put on as i get funny looking lol
so true.... i just read a post and this guy said hes on his 10th cycle, so i clicked his page thinking he would be a pro by now, and hes 170lbs with a bird chest and 16 inch arms
You just said what i've been trying to say since i got on this site!
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BigBmajAfter making this statement I realized something. I'm a big fucking hypocrite sometimes. Just the other day someone was asking me about training and I said "bro if you want to do it right you should have a little bit of testosterone"
So I wanted to mention the fact that I recognize the tendency to want quick results and to encourage others with quick results. I'm the first person to take a short cut if I can find one.
I just want people to understand what amazing results someone can get with an amazing diet and a kick ass training program. The people I see who do it right, are the people who still look good 5 and 10 years down the road - because they understand hard work = big pay off. Then when they get more serious and jump on a reasonable amount of gear, watch out. And some stay natural and look awesome, lucky bastards.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
9 times out of 10 I believe the short cut is what it boils down to. Now in saying this I'm not pointing the finger at any member on this site or anyone I see at my gym using. However I myself am guilty of the short cut. I'm not a big guy by any means, 5' 10" 210lbs and sitting around 15% bf. What got me on the AAS train was a guy I used to work out with talking about how great it was when ran a few cycles in his late 20's. That set me out on the hunt for information and gear.
Ha. I was thinking the same thing and then ran across this thread. I'm about to post a pic in the next couple days and you'll see what I mean. More of any compound doesn't mean better. Hell, I'm only running 200mg/wk of Pentadex and I look more jacked than many of the other guys running over 500mg/wk (and I'm in my 40s). More doesn't mean better. Faster doesn't mean better. In the age of instant gratification, people need to learn that success takes time. Be in it for the long haul and you'll be glad you did.
Thanks for speaking up.
We tell 'em all the time mate. The problem is invariably by the time they're on a steroid source site they have often already made up their mind and you can only influence a fairly small percentage of them.
When I started out in this game steroids were used on a much smaller scale. These days there are lots of guys looking for instant results without the hard work. 2 days ago in the gym I had some young lad of 18-20 ish ask me about his cycle he's running. He's been training for, (wait for it), nearly 6 months now and "can't make any more gains naturally". He must weigh 150lbs, 6ft tall. EAT!
This is the mentality of a lot of people these days. Why put in years of hard work????what can you do?
Yes wise words indeed. I see lots of people at my gym who've done a literally a few months of training and jump on the gear and think it's all good now, after a few month there no where to be seen, I think coming off gear kills em as there only reality of strenght has been thro steroids. Not natural talent that takes a few years to build, what ever your sport or goals maybe. Dont like the fact I'll be 39 in a matter of days....do like the fact I didn't try anything till I was 27.... Started gym at 19.
biggerthanyou"THESE DAMN KIDS THESE DAYS WANT INSTANT GRATIFICATION AND HAVE NO WORK ETHIC NOR SELF DISCIPLINE" pretty damn sad. Not even just kids. Most people in general in our society would rather risk their health and/or lives taking a pill than put forth some hard work and effort.
THAT BEING SAID WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE ANYONE ELSE?????? To each his own, have a good evening gents
Well I dunno about killing your karma.... I'm inferring you're not talking about the use of gear in a steady, disciplined manner for life quality improvement or TRT/HRT or the people who've paid their dues in terms of time and training. That covers quite a few people. Besides, you're stating an opinion, but the tone doesn't come off as being dick headed or disrespectful like some past posts that rubbed people the wrong way. You're also not picking on anyone specifically.
There are valid points being made for certain cases about OVER USE in terms of quantity and the number of compounds. However, keep in mind, as mentioned already, some people could be using for other athletic activities and won't necessarily have a bodybuilders physique. Strength, power, and conditioning are usually advantageous...size and/or mass not necessarily so.
+1 because a lot of people won't like this post. You can't get too "real" on this site otherwise people and their fanclubs get all pissy.
Who said we are all here for bodybuilding ? There are many Athletes on here ! Just because someone is taking gear don't mean they need to be huge ! +1 for voicing your opinion !
My favorite aspect of Test is the functionality I get from it. I can ride my bike or skateboard for hours a day and do it more accurately and precisely. Bodybuilding is new to me, but I'm slowly getting better at it. Don't get me wrong I wanna weigh about 250 someday. That is cycles ahead though.
this is true.... for example look at lance armstrong....
Have to agree brother.. I started a cycle to help with strength and recovery. A little size is nice but every pound I gain I have to haul around for 12+ miles running up hills, climbing walls, crawling through mud and shimmying up ropes..
Always good to hear someone voice their opinion in a respectful tone though, and maybe point out the elephant in the room.
BigBmajOh hell yeah bro. I'm only referring to the people that post pictures after a 2 gram a week cycle asking for everyone's input. If an athlete is improving his ability and sending a video of a 800 lb squat - that's what I'm excited about.
Reminds me of drug reps pushing prozac on people who had a couple bad days.