posted Tue, 07/09/2013 - 09:10
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Any solutions for this long occurring problem?
I've tried lots but am willing to do almost anything. It's driving me nuts, and hurting my gains. By the way, taking 4 ambiens puts me to sleep for 2 hours max. I've tried lots of meds with no real help. Seroquel works but makes me off the next day.
Thinking GH may help. Peptides didn't help one tiny bit.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Tried valerian root? Makes a big difference to me when I'm on tren.
Hope it improves ASAP.
angusI realize that you said peptides didn't help but was one of them the Delta Sleep Inducing Peptide? Pretty potent shit.
BigBmajNope haven't tried it yet. I read about it and I thought tolerance was built up quickly. Its worth a try. Placing a pep order friday I'll throw some in.
ZZZZzzzzzz ZZZZzzzzzz ZZZZzzzzzz....Whoops Sorry!.. i just fell asleep again lol.
I can't believe it does that to you guys... I think I'm flawed. :(
angusandi, women don't get the physiological reaction to sleep after sex. While I agree that you're flawed, I think this time you're mainstream. ;-))
OMG! Maybe I'm a man! I get sleepy after sex! When we have it at 4am!
angusPlaying the role of a man and pulling A's hair at 0400 doesn't make you a man.....just saying.
the dreams i am having lately are more vivid than even when i am gilled up with tren... you know the sort of dreams that have you thinking for like an hour after you woke up.. real emotional stuff like from my last marriage and things... weird
That's funny that you say that... A has been having some really wild dreams... same kind of thing. They last what seems like a really long time and are every detailed.. like it's a story when he wakes up. I thought he was losing his damn mind.. now I'm thinking it's the gh... they haven't been happening but about two weeks now.. and he's been on for well over a month. (Andro, scratches her head and ponders)
BigBmajHoping to hell I'm not flawed. I've taken it before at 3 IU daily and I slept well but that was back in the days when I was sleeping well all the time.
I'm only taking 1iu... so maybe since you are a man and will be taking more it maybe different for you.. My sleep hasn't changed.. I still don't! I'm going to hope that you are like all the other men and it give you good sleep!
BigBmajYou can't sleep either?
Nope! I stay up till 2:00a most night and then I lay here til I finally fall asleep and I'm up at 6:30. The weekends are worse... I normally don't fall asleep til 5-6
BigBmajiPhone gave you a thumbs down and switched it up. Your welcome.
What have you tried?
GH may help you, however... for me it does not have that sleep effect that it has on some.. I know for Abaddon it does but just remember we are all different..
Here are a few things that have helped with my insomnia.
My prescribed meds give me an extra couple hours per night, although they make me feel like a bag of smashed dicks the next day.
Melatonan and/or Benadryl used occasionally will also give me an extra couple hours but if used more than a hanful of times per month I find I become tolerant to it.
Maryjane. A coulple puffs of some quality kush always worked better than the above options for myself.
A large meal close to bedtime. Now obviously this can be bery counter productive if you are cutting but a large meal has helped induce drowsiness many time, couple this option with the above Maryjane option and it works very well, but will get you fat quick lol.
As of the last few weeks GH has turned me into a sleeping machine! I strongly suggest you give it a shot, Im actually having trouble staying awake past 9-10pm.
Hope that is of some help.
BigBmajAwesome I'm ordering GH ASAP. I can't wait to sleep, insomnia is fucking terrible. If I eat some pot it usually gets me sleeping but I need to build a tolerance for it because initially it whacks me out and makes me anxious as fuck. I'll make some super low dose chocolates and see if I can work with that, I'll try anything. There is some super heavy indica around I'll grab a few grams. Maybe that will help with appetite too.
Thanks.
xub3rn00dlexJesus 4 ambien doesn't put you to bed?? Try fucking and wearing yourself out before bed, then take benadryl. Works for me because it makes me drowsy, maybe research combining a few meds?
BigBmajI've been trying and still can't sleep. Anything physical before bed keeps me up.
I've even stopped taking all forms of caffeine, zero. Not helping.
Is it from steroids at all?
BigBmajIts been bad since I got sober about two years ago. I was taking an opiate daily for management purposes and I decided to stop. I haven't slept well since.
I have the same problem you are having and I too got sober a few years ago and just got off opiates all togather and cant sleep no matter what. Thanks for starting this thread
BigBmajGive seroquel a try. I think it may help you. Good luck and congrats on getting clean. I know it was hell.
i got strung out real bad by the time i was 18 and continued the habit for another 5 years until i got locked up and forced clean. i too had trouble sleepng for a solid 2 years while in there, tried several different meds while in there to help and they all did to a degree but it was never consistant. the med that worked best for me is called remeron/doxepin (pill form/liquid form), but to be completely honest with you man, it wasnt until i completely stopped taking EVERYTHING that i began to remember what real, quality sleep felt like. at first it was hell, much like you describe actually - only a few hrs of shallow sleep a night, but it slowly but surely got better and better. meds helped me no doubt at one point, but when theyre not doing their job anymore its time to move away from them instead of onto a different one IMHO. theyre a tool, not a solution
BigBmajYeah I totally agree. I thought perhaps it was psychological in nature. Guilt for example or stress obviously can have a huge impact on sleep. But I think I've addressed most of this. So it may just be a waiting fame like you said. Sure is hell.
I got sober in jail a few times, nothing quite like it. Sure isn't like going to Betty Ford. It probably saved my life on a few occasions tho.
Thanks for the feedback.
xub3rn00dlexHave your doctors told you anything about it, about how the cessation of your opiate might have led to your insomnia?
That's weird because peptides help my sleep a little bit. Nothing crazy but it helps. But I also have been rx'd a sleeping med trazodone for years now it never stops working. still on same dose as I was 3 years ago - one of the only sleeping meds that you won't develop much of a tolerance to at all
how does this med make you feel the next day, I have a dangerous job and cannot afford to be groggy in the mornings
Right on about trazadone. I used to take it for years. I did eventually have to increase the dose, though. However, there is no need to take it every night. Best to cycle different sleep drugs which work via different mechanisms. Lunesta one night, trazodone the next, for example. I have found doxylamine succinate to be a really good one. I frequently take it with melatonin.
Ambien is only useful for sleep initiation. And I built up a tolerance quickly. I much prefer Lunesta which helps you to stay asleep.
One thing you never want to do is use benzos like valium, xanax, klonopin for sleep. Heroin would be preferable - the withdrawal is minor compared to benzodiazepine withdrawal.
A discount voucher can be found on the Lunesta website. Amazon has Kirkland brand Doxylamine for a very good price.
Yea man I been in the pharmacy business for years. I deal with samples all day. I know all the side effects and everything. I know trazodone is old school and can cause sides like stuffy nose, headaches, and dry mouth.
But like you said benzo tolerance is no joke and withdrawal is potentially life threatening or can induce seizures. Melatonin only induces sleep. I used to take that and wake up 1-2 hours later every single night.
I started at 75mg traz and take about 100mg now thats over 3 years of tolerance. I may take a break and try to lower down to 50 but it's working now and I'm not gonna try to fix it if it's not broken.
BigBmajOh bro I've been down the benzo path more than I want to remember. Coming off was terrible, worse than heroin by a lot.
I like traz, it works but I feel like I could still improve. I started reading the PDR when I was like 12 so I'm pretty familiar with most meds and I've tried more than I can remember. At one point I was lucky, or unlucky enough to write scrips for myself - anything I wanted - so I tried almost everything. As I said I wish seroquel didn't make me weird the next day because that stuff is the knock out - I've fallen asleep with food in my mouth on that stuff.
My nervous system is tough to manage.
BigBmajThanks.
BigBmajI take trazadone and I sleep for about 4 hours or so then wake up with a dry ass mouth. It is the one med that somewhat works.
Dry mouth is by far easier to deal with than the potential sides benzos can bring - addiction, headaches, anxiety, or worse
You hit 4-6ius of legit gh you will have trouble staying awake if your human lol.
Isn't that due to hypoglycemia? That doesn't sound too healthy.
Tbh I don't know if gh does that? I know insulin will.