+ 2 Lists of compounds and when should you use them
I've been reading the site and in general there seems to be a common agreement on how advanced you should be in using steroids before advancing onto different/more difficult compounds. However there are always some kids who heard from their dealer what they should be using. Hopefully this list will help people figure out what they should use
1ST LEVEL
Test Cypionate
Test Enanthate
2ND LEVEL
Test prop (just because of the amount of pinning needed)
d-bol
anavar
proviron
turinabol
3RD LEVEL
1-test cypionate (if you can handle the pain from injection)
Primobolan (could be second level depending in how mild you view it)
EQ (could be second level depending on how bad you view the sides from RBC production)
Winstrol
Masteron (prop or enanthate)
4TH LEVEL
Anadrol
Deca
NPP
5TH LEVEL:
Tren
Halotestin
Superdrol
So thats how I feel everything ranks as far as degree of difficulty/sides/potency. The reason why I put deca and npp so far up the list is due to their ability to shut you down hard. I have not tried every substance so part of this list is made up of what I have read personal accounts about. I'm not going to discuss fat burners or PCT on this list. However I do think this is solid and I hope it helps some new people out. If you guys got any input feel free to add!
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Seems pretty solid. From easier to harsher compounds +1
My "coach" must not have read this list because he had me running all types of compounds my very first cycle including peptides, orals and the like. To each his own I guess...
Like jim9813 alluded below -1-Test (dihydroboldenone) is the 5alpha reduced form of boldenone. It is also chemically identical to Primobolan (metenolone) except for the 1-methylation that is part of Primo. Seems like it just belongs with EQ and Primo, IMHO. You're the boss though . . . I'm old enough to have pinned Winny depot many times. 1-Test in comparison is smooth pinning . . .
Changed it lol
x2 pinning 1-test ain't that bad at all. im using it currently, and the only negative from it is its affect on my hairline. but im prone to it, and its dht-derived so duhhh...
Not trying to critique you, I think this is a potentially helpful post. More looking for clarification and an answer to a question. Youve got mast at a difficulty level 3 and all the research Ive done on it indicates that it is one of the safest and easiest compounds to use because it doesnt aromatize. Shouldnt this be considered a level 1, or at worst a level 2?
So is primobolan but I feel that basic orals should be experimented with first before adding an injectable. Orals are in and out of your system really quickly while injectables can take awhile, especially enanthate esters. Primo and EQ and mast have a lot less sides than d Bol but if you dknt like d Bol, you stop sides go away in a week, tops while injectables take longer.
Do you see where I'm going with this? It's not just safety, part of it is what order you should use them. You can handle d Bol, var you can handle primo
Ok, cool. I understand. I see that this is your opinion and didnt want to muddy your thread. Was just thinking about a short test prop/mast prop cycle in the future to see how my body responds. The prop ester will clear quickly if its adverse. Thanks bro.
Eh, looks fine. Though I'm not one who conforms to the "fear tren more than any other steroid" line of thought. Research is everything, for any AAS, tren is not exclusive in its ability to harm the user. Dbol absolutely fucked me, I've never had any real sides on tren.
1-test is very comparable to eq, so how they are so different on your scale confuses me. I get what you're trying to set up, but it's highly flawed as stated below. Maybe restructure this post.
Like;
1st cycle - test only e or c
2nd cycle - test e or c with oral kickstart, dbol or tbol or kickstart with prop
3rd cycle - you could try short esters only like test prop and mast prop with proviron
or stick with 2nd cycle set up and add equipoise, 1-test, or masteron enanthate
4th cycle - like 3rd and maybe add npp to short ester cycle or deca to long esters, but keep it to only
2 injectables, maybe run proviron throughout
5th cycle - like 4th but maybe add on with a total of 3 injectables.
6th, 7th, 8th, ..... keep tweaking the above
Next, top "level" advanced steroid user; add tren ace to test prop only. If you can handle that,
Next, try tren enanthate with a long cycle.
Get it?
It wasn't meant as a cycle guide. It was more a graduation program so to speak. If you candle the compounds if level 2 easily, you're ready for level 3. You go to a batting cage and you start with the slowest pitch. As you get better at hitting it, you go to the next speed
Wonder why is primo on 3rd level not 2nd. Never used it myself but isn't it very mild that even women use it? And I think you should also put Test400/500 on 5th level too lol.
Primo because it's an injectable and while very mild, some may not be able to handle the pain of two injectables at once
+1 thank bro
I haven't tried alot of those compounds so I can't personally relate to what level I think they should be on. I do see you have 1-test Cyp at level 5 and I would no way consider that in the same class as Sdrol, Halo or tren. In terms of gains it could very well be on par with Tren, but is was virtually side effect free.
Mainly for pip and how most can't seem to handle the injections. The drug itself isn't too bad, the injection makes it for the advanced user
I get what your are saying, and think you have a good list. The more sides, and the more difficult the recovery, the higher on the list.
At 1st glance You should define "levels" better... Is it predicated by age, # of previous cycles, goals, etc, etc? I c where you are going but put a little bit more time into it to provide detailed and specific info and it would be a better read broham...
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waltri do not agree
what compound you use should depend on the goal
So your saying a 21 year old on his first cycle who is looking for lean hard gains with the highest fat burning/recomp potential should load up on Tren? Your comment doesnt make sense, We are the smart people remember, not everyone who reads this stuff is. With the exception of the test-1(full disclosure Ive never ran test 1) The list looks pretty good from a cycle/exp/safety perspective...
aylmejor^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Define level? Is that a cycle?
Not cycle. The levels depend on harshness of compound whether through pip, joint pain, acne, bloat, aggression. The levels are kinda a way to judge how you stand. Now everyone is different but most ppl would agree anadrol is much tougher to deal with than d Bol or anavar.
Look at it as, you can handle these drugs, you can advance further