posted Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:48
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Is this cycle safe and effective for building lean dense muscle?
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg EW
Weeks 1-8 Anavar 50mg ED
Weeks 8-12.5 Winstrol 50mg ED
Proviron 50mg ran until last Winstrol tab
Arimidex .5 mg EOD weeks 1-14
HCG weeks 1-13 250ui twice a week
(To prevent fully shriken nuts)
Weeks 14-18 PCT clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
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Make sure u get pre mid and post cycle labs..and increase your fish oil...add oils and foods that will increase your HIGH DENSITY LIPOPROTEINS..anavar lowers HDLs...
No HCG. Monitor for high estro.sides like acne, oily face prior to starting AI, whixh may occur around week 3 depending on how u aromatize.
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Thank u mam...
Crossfit3737Basically all of you are out here on this post hating on crossfit
I'm asking for cycle advice and all I get is talking shit about crossfit
Since I started crossfit my bench press has gone from 185 - 275 in about 8 months
I see a lot of strength gains and improvement of physique
All of the major crossfit competitors do roids
I'm just looking for a cycle to help with strength endurance stamina and to help me harden / lean up a little bit
That's it
RustyhookerWhats your prior cycles. Lil strength and endurance is a really light cycle. Nothing fancy.
Please post your stats. Food is lean or not. Gear is only recovery. But beware you're jeopardizing natural hormones for simple recovery.
OP could repeat TE/VAR cycle with diet tweek and either run var last six weeks, or pulse (?) it 2wks on/off thru cycle. AI of choice on hand..
Low dosed AAS..have him between 190-200 after PCT. His workout already has him stronger.
Crossfit3737Thank you I will probably do that
Doesn't the test kick in around week 6 so shouldn't I start with the var the first 6 weeks?
I have Adex
Just out of curiousity what was wrong with the winny?
No use var last 6 weeks...like stated please...u dont need any winnie or provi on this cycle...maybe next cycle...introduce drugs.one at a time...
Crossfit3737Okay I will do that thank you
Crossfit3737I posted it earlier but test e for one
And test e and anavar for the second
I eat clean no junk
Train hard
How does the updated cycle look?
RustyhookerAnavar winny and high test....to me I dont like it for the goals your asking. Recovery can be simple test 300. Finish with var like medex suggested.
1-12 test 300...split mon thurs 150/150
8-14 var 50 split.
Ai on hand. Clomid nolva stack pct at last var dose.
Normal test range is 300-1100. 300mg test should have you near 2500-3000. Plenty for goal. Var is string stuff. Strenth and recovery is nice. Watch for cramping. Electrolyte balance.
Food means everything. But I dont see a need for massive crazy cycle. I gained 18 pounds my first cycle bodybuilding on just 300 test a week. Its all traing and foods. Gear is recovery/repair. Excess is just converted to estro.
Saw palmetto for dht is good idea. Hydrate.
Crossfit3737Thank you this is great!
RustyhookerGood luck sir
Pretty cool taper with var i like it...and OP should like it too...good info...
RustyhookerI do like var at end while test is booming. Strength up, unbinds test and recovery. It kills my appetite a bit so clean big meals are easy.
Yes ur right about appetite suppression...its intanst with me off of a one time 25mg dose...weird stuff...i just push thru it and keep in mind its ONLY the drug...lol
RustyhookerGreat for cutting. Force feeding clean meals. The ghrp6 will boost the appetite. In the future I'd like to run tbol. See how it compares in hard gains. But anavar is a high anabolic. Hard to pass it up.
Yep..no kiidin...on anabolic with var...at some points its like dbol with out the bloat...imo..its a good synergy drug...i think it would be good pulsed...i will have to pulse it...i dont have too many left to use...
RustyhookerSounds like a good experiment!
I posted what u posted earlier...
Here they are:
Crossfit3737So does this look a little bit better?
10 week cycle
Test E 500mg EW 1-10
Anavar 50mg ED 1-6
Winstrol 50mg ED 6-10
Arimidex .25 EOD 1-10
HCG 500ui EW 1-11
Pct 12-16 clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Milk thistle I take everyday now already and I also take MSM and glucosamine and fish oil
I will get a liver support as well
No.
RustyhookerTroll. Same as last night. Bye Felicia
Crossfit cycle....hahaha. manpon needs adjusting
Made me laugh brother... =)
The more i look at this...the more i dont like it...gonna neg u till u post something appropriate for your cycle....c'mon....think.bro...u can do better...
Nope!! Post BMR with activity. Anavar, winstrol and provi....no liver support....no talk of pre cycle labs...the most important part of your title has to do with FOOD!! Calories and macros depict your goal of leanness, not drugs. Do some research....follow advice given by members below...and resubmit...this isnt free 100 day...lol!!
Crossfit3737To be honest I didn't do labs for either of my last two cycles but I understand the importance
This next cycle in going to do in a few months will definitely have labs before during and after
And I will post a full cycle log
Sorry to borrow your post but
http://seannal.com/bodybuilding-macronutrient-calculator.php
I find it handy. One suggestion, I wouldn't run orals that long without liver support, and wouldn't touch winstrol if doing crossfit on top of normal training. Regardless of what you take for joints, I can't guarantee it but I would bet you'll end up regretting it.
Crossfit3737Thank you! What kind of lover support should I run? Blockade? I also take milk thistle
Or do you recommend just doing a 10 week cycle of test and doing Var for 6 and sunny for 4?
My patience with you is wearing thin.
You need to get this straight. NOBODY on this forum is going to "recommend" you a cycle. That is not this forum is structured. We have asked for a lot of key items down below that you have continuously ignored, pics, diet, training routine.
No one on this forum is going to support using AAS for crossfit purposes. AAS use is for enhancing and already enhanced physique, getting an extra few percentages above what one normally could get with proper diet and training alone.
NONE of your goals are unattainable without modification to your training (severely lacking in the anaerobic department) and modification of your diet (maybe lacking, We wouldn't know because you continuously refuse to provide it).
Post up the things we ask for, and you will get help. Don't, and I'm treating this post as a troll and moving on with my time.
Crossfit3737I am busy with work
I didn't know this forum required instant responses I will post everything when I get a chance
I am using AAS to improve my physique I'm not just doing it for fun..
I'm also using it as a performance enhancer in crossfit
I'm not upset with being 190 or my body fat I'm looking to do a cycle that will help with endurance strength and physique
That's why I want to run
Test E for 12 weeks
Anavar for the hardening and pump
Winstrol for dry gains and physique improvement
Proviron to take advantage of free test
Arimidex to manage E2
I'm not asking for a new cycle but if there's something wrong with this one I want help adjusting it..
Maybe I'm running orals for too long
But In the research I have done the past several months it says anavar is safe for longer periods of time when compared to other orals
(8-10 weeks)
Winstrol is okay to use for 6-8 weeks
Why is running anavar for 8 weeks and Winstrol for 4 bad if it's both with in the time it's considered okay to use
Or to keep it "safe"
Should I run the oral only 10 weeks?
6 Anavar 4 Winstrol and shorten the test E to 10 weeks instead of 12?
And once more, this entire response is dedicated to "drug talk" and having us fit the drug to your needs, as opposed to fitting diet and training to your needs.
You're hell bent on running AAS, go for it, but I'm done here.
Yep...x2...as Rusty would say...we arent catfish...lol
Milk thistle, in my opinion, is a bit of an odd one. A few swear by it, studies have shown it reduces the effects of anabolics though. I use NAC. It's used for cirrhosis of the liver by the NHS in the UK (for treatment of alcoholics etc). If you've run Test and Var before you'll know how it works for you, everyone reacts differently. You're running a LOT of pct. Estrogen is needed in the body and unless you personally aromatise to a massive degree (in which case I would see a doctor) You're asking for trouble training that much while basically drying your joints out to a large degree.
Lean dense muscle will come from hard work and a decent diet, the whole crossfit mix will make it really hard to work out calorie intake, the effects of overtraining etc while also trying to sort out an anabolic cycle. I think some may disagree with me here but I don't see the building of muscle while basically burning out on crossfit as working well together. Maybe decide what you want to concentrate on, or try and balance your lifestyle better between the 2.
Crossfit3737How should I change the pct?
I will prob do less crossfit while on cycle for the reasons stated above I will go to the gym 4 days a week and cross fit one or two for the duration of the cycle to avoid over training and drying out the joints
In my opinion don't need pct until estrogen is an issue, which is holding water, high blood pressure, lowered sex drive, possible gyno signs, (itchy nipples a good indicator) etc, this won't show in most for the first few weeks. My joints hate ai's, so I keep to as and when on cycle, but maybe that's just too many years of low reps and just me, but I'd keep it literally to using when needed, except obviously when using as Post Cycle Therapy as in post cycle, nolva Clomid combo is fine If as you suggest you're looking to focus on gains and lessen the crossfit, then running cycle makes more sense. I know why you want to run Anavar at the start, as you've obviously noted bulking cycles are usually kickstarted by orals. Not with Anavar (would be compounds like dbol/Anadrol both of which would NOT work for what your aims are). Food is key, and the basics such as drinking a shit load of water!
"Since I started crossfit my bench press has gone from 185 - 275 in about 8 months". That's good gains mate. It's clearly working for you.
The perception of crossfit may not be the way you see it but a good review here
https://www.t-nation.com/training/crossfit-the-good-bad-and-the-ugly
All the best
AnonYeap NAC for me as well brother, when my liver function came back all messed up that,s what I turned to and it worked.
After a month I returned to get bloods done and my liver function as in ALT and AST levels were all back within the normal range.
Just remember to always take NAC with Vitamin C to prevent NAC from oxidation. (I take 1 gram of Effervescent Vit C with it)
Otherwise it has the potential over time to course kidney stones.
Crossfit3737I will definitely try it thank you
Agreed, I don't see the necessity of using AAS for crossfit training...
Thats fine bro....just make sure OP acknowledges your reply....
Cheers bro. I'm probably coming off harsh to this dude but it's like his training plans more suited to a fitness model, not meaning to be rude
Sometimes harshness is needed...we have asked for simple info...he hasnt provided it...there are more important tasks at hand with willing members who will appreciate our time helping them...
Cross fit makes women look good and dudes look skinny! Gotta train heavier and eat more real food. Might want to try a man's workout?
Crossfit3737Lol try crossfit for two weeks then come back and talk
You try my style of training before you start to offer challenges...... if crossfit built physiques that can win major bodybuilding titles (like i have) dont you think we would have adopted that training principle years and years ago?.......... i am not knocking crossfyt or that its peoples choices to adopt that training style.... what i am saying is i for one do not see the need to run a stack to satisfy your purpose.... thats all.
lol......... first positive in the whole thread.
Crossfit on steroids............. holy fuck what next?
Hey OP...... do me favour and post up a picture, im intrigued to see what Crossfit and steroids produce...... especially running stacks like you.
Dont be shy... this is for Educational purposes for me.... im deadly serious i need to see.
X2...
You finally caved in and are going to become a crossfit bunny eh vike?
I was in a really good mood so I was trying to be nice and take this guy seriously below... But seeing as he's not being very responsive I'm going to assume this wasn't too serious of a post.
Im a little head-fucked is all bro............. i mean crossfit is all "fitness" right?........ now if i really wanted to be fit i wouldn't want the hindrance and ill effects that running a stack brings along with it... would you?................ i mean if i did crossfit i would need to wear body armour to protect from busting myself up with all the fkn hopping around and shit lol... i would spend more time on my back yelping than i would jumping between benches and smashing my head on machines if the youtube vids are anything to go by lmfao!!!!!!!!
To be serious... you nailed it bro... Anaerobic activity, massive food intake and a touch of juice to ice the cake is the formula to building muscle...... NOT Aerobics and a fkn big stack nah!!