High tren low test. Vs low tren high test
I've only ever done tren 3 times all for 6-8 week duration
My runs has been high test 750-900mg and low tren 300mg... This has been on the back of advices given to me by a coach and protocols he has used with top amateur bb and a ifbb pro...
I had a few prolactin problems which were settled with prami and blood pressure was thru the roof even on meds...
My results were fantastic tho I was dropping from 8% to 6% Bf all while gaining total body weight, without cardio and fat burners and no real changes to diet...
But it was taxing on me...
Now my question is and ive heard ppl suggest
High tren and low test.
Now are the blood pressure issues still as prominent , is that just the tren or is the lower test helping keep some of the water down and perhaps some of the BP down?
Are the sides any easier , ie overheating, rage, sweating hard after carbs etc?
Personal experiences appreciated....
Was it worth while adding something in for shbg ie
Winnie or proviron or anything else?
Did you use it for a bulk or cut?
Looking to do a lean bulk...
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My first time running Tren I did:
150 test
300 mast
300 tren
The side effects of this were increased paranoia and a insane sex drive which was borderline unbearable.
I am now running
400 test
200 tren
200 mast
Zero mental side effects, libido is lower and controllable compared to the first run BUT the night sweats are ridiculous. Changing my bed clothes every night. I have tried removing carbs completely from my last meal but that didn't help and was no different from having carbs. But the gains are good and I feel great.
My sweet spot is 250 test cyp w/ 600 tren A. Less sides for me such as sweating & feelings of being fed up (controlled rage) when having to deal w/ the world. Still don't sleep much so sometimes use benadryl to help with that. I use tren A more for lean bulks. For whatever reason I just feel it works better. BP was always through the roof until I added high intensity interval rowing 5x a week.
When I compete I like to keep my test/prop tad lower than tren. 500mg prop/650-700tren. I've ran Test E and Tren E at that same ratio bedfore and sides were hard to deal with.... Short esters are more forgiving for me anyway.
Tren is so much more powerful than test it never made sense to me to run it higher.
Less is more in my opinion. I'm running 50 mg of Tren A eod with 100 mg of Test P eod and 50 mg of Mast eod. I'm just barely 2 weeks in and I'm up 11lbs and down about 1 lb of body fat
youre definitely going to retain a hell of alot less water on lower test then 900mgs, and test in itself regardles of water retention causes high bp in some users, as does tren. Ive ran it both ways, personally I had the overheating issues and sweating problems much worse when i was running my test higher, then my tren, so it seems we have the opposite problem. the day I run tren again if i do it will be for a show and it will be something like 125mg eod, 100mg prop eod. I had much less sides running it like that then when I ran 350mg of tren a with 600mgs of test. And ya i love proviron, I never cycle without it, it just supercharges any dose of test espeically when its low like 100mg eod. helps with my libido also. When i ran high test low tren I had libido issues, needed to add prami, but when i ran low test high tren I was horny as hell and could go at it 3 times a day easy. I dont think my sex drive was ever higher.
goes to show were all different. If I was bulking with tren ( which i wouldnt i tried it kills my appetite) id run higher test, probably long ester but still with tren a, but if it was a straight cutter it would be low test p high tren a. But I think I could prep without tren, maybe use primo instead, i loved what that stuff did to me. Especially with the new classic physiquie class, what did the old school guys use? primo, deca, test, dbol, etc, there was no tren in the 70s. I think primo would bring out that classic look better then tren, just speculating, think of arnold, and how different he would have looked on test tren mast with some orals, totally different look to his physiuque.
Some good points there...
ya i dont get the water retention problems or night sweats too bad with higher test and lower tren, but i am using it precontest, so my estrogen and carbs are pretty low during the times i run it. you probably wouldnt want the estrogen or carbs that low if you were bulking, so i could defiantly see there possibly more side effects in terms of night sweats and water retention in an off season cycle where you let estro remain a little higher and are pushing tons of food.
a little bit of caber goes a long ways as well, i dont have much experience with prami, besides i got sick from it once and started using caber after that lol.
you have some impressive stats brother.
my experience is keep the tren as low as possible to avoid as many side effects as possible. if 300 was taxing on you, why push it if you had great results already? i personally prefer more like how your coach recommended, with a decent amount of test and more mild tren dose. the highest ill go now is 300mg/week and usually only for the last 8 weeks before a show. this last off season i experimented with bulking on 50mg tren a on mwf (3x week) and had great results that were pretty much side effect free.
i tried higher tren and lower test once, and all of the side effects were much worse for me.
i wouldnt bother adding winny if your planning on bulking, too much pain in the joints for me. something like a small dose of provi is valuable in any cycle IMO.
watch you blood pressure bro, its a silent killer. tren defiantly aggravates the BP.
Thanks mate, yeah makes sense... Tbh the Winnie I just wanted to try because I've only ever used it once and that was precomp only few weeks, so I wanted to see how strong it's effect is on me , as I'll prob need to run it towards the end of the year.
Thanks for your input