posted Mon, 01/09/2012 - 18:34
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Gyno with Tren?
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I've heard from a few sources that Tren can cause gyno due to its progestin nature and precautions should be taken...
What exactly would be the best thing to take to keep gyno with tren in check?
I'm thinking about running it at 25-50mg a day with 75mg a day of test prop.
Any advice would be great... thanks.
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for me, lowering test helped. gyno needs 3 hormones: estrogen, progesteron, igf1
progesteron seems to amplify estrogen related sides, this was my experience too, once i lowered test an added mast, i had no problems. i dont think you need higher test than tren, never had libido problems, more the opposite.
bromo / caber works on prolactin, so should help with the milking, but i dont know how it could affect gyno itself. i looked everywhere to find an exact answer what caused prog gyno and how to avoid it, but it seems there is no exact answer. some people even said, that tamox stopped it, where medical sudies say, that tamox would increase prog receptors. other were lucky with ai's (like myself if you want to call mast an ai).
so my conclusion is, that prog amplyfies estrogenic sides / you cant get gyno with low estrogen. be cautious with massive amounts of aromatizing steroids, dont be fat.
I got gyno while on tren and hadn't used caber before. Adex helped (even though it's prog related) it subside.
This cycle I have been taking .25mg of caber e3d and so far so good. I still use .25-.5 of adex(I question the actual concentration of the liquid adex I have) eod.
Anyone use Prami for tren?
I prefer prami over cabor specifically because it helps me sleep (a little) better
bromocriptine or cabergoline.
not everybody is prone to progesterone related gyno. Just do the tren with nothing, and keep an eye on your nips. Have the ancillaries on hand just in case.
Thanks binary... At what dosage have you ran Cabergoline?
I actually ran bromo with tren..I am prone to prog gyno. Im running caber at 1mg 2x week for prog related sides with hgh right now. I think im going to increase that though.
Why don't you:
1) List your stat's. Age weight, BF%. # of cycles
2) Map out your whole cycle.
3) List what other products you have on hand.
No point in someone telling you to get something you aready have on hand.
Ok...
I'm 28, 6'1, 195 about 12% body fat. I've been trainging for about 10 years, 5 years consistently. This will be my 3rd cycle.
I'm looking to run Test prop at 75mg ED, Tren at 25-50mg ED depending on sides and .5mg of arimidex ED.
I have HCG, nolva and clomid on hand. I'm a little sensitive to estrogen sides so I'm trying to prevent any prolactin sides as well...
Is there any other info that would be helpful to know?
You are relatively new to cycling, Tren might not be such a good idea for you at this point. Why not run other compounds before jumpin into Tren. Tren should only be ran by those with a lot more cycle experiance then you have at the moment.
I appreciate your directness. I'm actually trying to try a Domestic source that has tbol in stock. That would be my first choice. I was thinking of tren as a plan B but I'm nervous about it because as you said its an advanced compound.
I'm looking to lean out a little. I want to avoid products that cause bloat. Who you have any recommendations? You seem like you have quite a bit of experience.
sry to hijack this, but are you trying to gain strength more so than bulk? I figure strength becuz u said tbol, but what about NPP? Not really any bloat with that and it will increase strength and size, or if ur looking to harden up and gain vascularity , theres masteron. But another good one is Equipose, it will harden u up, put a lil size on and increase ur appetite all with minimal sides but expect to run it for at least 13-16 wks becuz with the undecylenate ester it will take a while to kick in. And IF you do run tren which u shouldnt but if u must you should go with the acetate ester not enanthate becuz with the short ester if u dnt like the sides u can drop it and it will soon be out of ur system, ur kinda fucked for a week or so longer as far as sides with enanthate with its 10.5 day half life.
Yeah... I've never been too into the bulky look. When I ran tbol last year my strength went up a lot. I was quite impressed.
NPP is an option... I was a little worried about Deca-dick with it though. If I'm pinning 525mg (75mg a day) of prop should I be able to ward off impotency? Also would cabergoline be a good addition here?
I'd love to cycle masteron but the fact that its DHT derived makes me nervous. I ran sust for 12 weeks without a problem at all, but as soon as I threw in some proviron I began to lose hair like crazy. It took about 2 weeks after cutting out the proviron to get it to stop even with Propecia ED. I'm nervous about masteron causing the same effects only worse... have you had any experience with hair loss with mast?
EQ is definitely an option too but I think I'm looking to stick to the short esters... Let me know about your experience with NPP and Mast. Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond.
Then masteron wouldnt be the best choice for you, I would try NPP if I was you and keep some caber on hand
JtizzleI run cabergoline... gives you great sexual side effects too!
At what dosage?