posted Sat, 08/27/2011 - 11:42
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Help with gyno issue
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I'm taking about 1000mg of sust a week. I've been taking 50mg a day of proviron since beginning the cycle. I've been on cycle for about a month now. I noticed a sore small lump behind my left nipple. I have letro on hand in case proviron wasn't enough. I know anyone says nolva is a better choice but proviron was easier to get so I went with it. I've heard very mixed opinions of letro. I'm thinking .5mg EOD would be more than sufficient to reverse the gyno. I'd like some opinions of vets who know what letro will really do. I've heard of a lot of rumors and rumors don't help. Knowledge does.
Thanks guys.
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Honestly with just two days of letro and the little nolva I had left over from my last cycle the tenderness it gone. I can push hard on it and nothing. The lump is still there but the soreness is gone. Do you think the 60mg of nolva will trash my cycle? I have about 6 weeks left.
AnonYou could do with letro or nolva yes but not sure if you will see any reversal. How long you got left in your cycle? As long as you stick an AI you shouldn't have any probs but you get diminising returns from the high AI dose so it will affect your cycle. Make sure whatever you do to take care of the tenderness. If you are tender means it is progressing. Best way to check that out is during a shower or when you wear a seatbelt.
Do you think I'll be able to halt it's progression without stopping the test?
AnonEven while using letro you will only get results once you quit the test. That's what happened in my case anyway, was fighting it for 8 weeks and most results came with the nolva once i quit the test. I would say you can go on the nolva at 60mg for a max of 3 weeks. Hopefully it will start subsiding fast and before that. The docs advice not to do pct is stupid, it will only make things worse. Defo quit the test if you think it is progressing and use the nolva 60mg for two weeks till pct then do your normal 40/40/20/20 and wish for the best. Sounds like your doc was a dick btw even if it was lypomastia he wouldnt let you know imo, i bet he wanted you to teach you THE lesson. I h8 docs!!!!!
I totally agree. I was misinformed about proviron. I'm off it now. The doctor actually told me to cold turkey the test as well. He did say that at this stage it is likely to go away on it's own. His advice was to stop everything and let the gyno get worse for a little bit and then let my natural test come back without PCT and it should go away. I'm not thrilled about that method. The doctor was very anti steroids, not surprised, most seem to be.
How long would you recommend the 60mg of nolva? 1 to 2 weeks? Less? More? The doctor wouldn't really talk about that as an option until I was off everything and it got worse. That is what makes me believe that it is minimal or possibly in my head.
It's funny how you are treated like a joke at the doctor when you use gear but if you were a raging alcoholic or drug addict they would treat you with the best care possible.
AnonOf course you have to quit proviron that is what flared you in the first place. Proviron is a potentiator if you are sensitive with estrogen sides then you have a problem. Also the time you start the proviron has a lot to do with it. If you start it from day 1 you are bound to get gyno. The spikes of free test and estrogen from proviron can easily cause gyno, same reason you wouldn't take hcg from day 1. In general there is a lot of missguided hype and marketing behind proviron people expect to use it as an AI and it does the complete opposite
Get on the nolva asap your gyno sounds minimal. Did the doc mentioned anything about it going away on its own? 0.5mg of letro is nothing i get raging hard ons at such a dose. Try 2.5mg for 2 days though and it is goodbye Mr Johnson. Btw don't stay at 60mg of nolva for too long it is a hefty dose.
It's just a very small lump off soft tissue. I know I know. That's where gyno starts. I'm on letro now and I've read a ton since yesterday and actually saw a doctor today. The conclusion I've came to by researching and help from the doctor is... Stop the proviron and continue with letro until the nolva comes in then switch to 60mg a day of that. Proviron can actually help to cause gyno in certain individuals according to the doctor and some medical articles I've read. Nolva (tamoxifen) although often not considered strong enough to reverse gyno is a main drug prescribed to men with breast cancer because it can reduce breast tissue. Letro is a much stronger drug shutting down 98% of estrogen production. It wiped me out at dose of .5mg today. I couldn't get a buzz from two scoop of NO explode or a monster right before workout. Nothing. I still felt strong but had no motivation. I'm hoping that by backing down the dose of test a bit and replacing proviron with nolva i might have some luck. Proviron is great for hard ons, acne and bloating control but just wasnt quite strong enough to tame the estrogen from 1000'mg of sust a week. Lesson learned the hard way.
That sucks man. I dont think gyno is reversable. If it gets out of hand, I would head to a surgeon
Yep already took it. Hopefully it doesnt wipe me out.
AnonIf you havent got nolva on hand get on the letro till you receive it, best use something than nothing. Tenderness will go from the first few days with letro.
Well shit. That's sucks. Ok... I'll do what I can to get my hands on some nolva stat. Thanks for your help.
AnonIf you are running letro on cycle 0.5mg is nowhere near enough for reversal. I did run the letro at 2.5mg ed yes. People say nolva is for prevention and yet all the doctors use it for reversal protocols even for pubertal gyno too. Another option which supposed to be better is raloxifene. But in general dont believe nothing you read try and see what is best for you. Both nolva and letro take ages to show results so keep at it. If you are not running 19nors there is no reason not to fight it with nolva first.
Sides of letro were: loss of apetite, loss of libido, 0 stamina, joint discomfort after
6 weeks, apathy, mood swings the list is endless. In general it will wreck a cycle hence why i suggested you take nolva first.
It's tender too. The lump isn't invisible at all really. It just made me a little concerned and I'd hate for it to get worst. I've always heard that nolva will prevent it but not reverse it once it forms. You used 2.5mg of letro how often? Everyday? I understood that .5mg everyday is a strong dose if used ED. Since this just popped up and is small I wanted to try a small dose of letro for a couple of weeks to see if it helps. What kind of bumpy road did you encounter at 2.5mg?
AnonThat's exactly how i flared up on my last cycle you simply cant count on proviron. I tried the letro route but i wouldnt suggest it as first line of defense. Try 60mg nolva ed for 2-3 weeks if that doesn't work get on the letro. Letro is very harsh so be prepared for a bumpy ride. I used it 8 weeks at 2.5mg and it halted the process but the lump is there although smaller and more normal looking. Do you have sensitivity too or just the lump?