First time cycle help
Good Morning to all,
I just joined the site given how this place for has very experienced veterans. I have come across a minor pivotal point in my training and I'd really like some advice.
So for starters I am 5'10. 213 lbs last I checked and around 14%-16% body fat (abs decently visible.) Have never been able to check to be 100% sure.
Ultimately My goal is to drop abiut 18lbs fat and gain 10lbs of muscle. I am not really far from where I would like to be (somewhere close to 200lbs 10% bf). Now on with the question.
Someone I know suggested Winstrol+Anavar in low dosages in order to close in to a finish on my cut. But mentioned he had a couple of other stuff too, he has the following.
Clen
T3
Anavar
Winstrol.
I'd like to note that I'm not crazy about using gear nor really feel the need to(its more like a want because of benefits like minor gains on a cut and muscle hardness), and if I do it'll be for a maximum of 4 weeks and don't really intend on picking this stuff up again. But out of the 4 things he layed out I can only get 2 at the moment. What do you guys think?
My trainning AND diet are in check believe me, I just really wanted to know if any of these are worth the short term sprint in my race to my goal.
Thanks in advance to all.
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Thanks for all the response everyone.
I think I agree with everything everyone said. To be honest I am almost a pure meso so I always hung close to genetic limit so for sure AAS is not imperative for me neither do I think its a miracle pill. I do run ECA and my body takes it with no sides, I don't even feel it sometimes (doesn't even blunt hunger)
The only thought of consideration for it was that perhaps I may more effectively reach my goal while preserving mass so that on my slow lean bulk I'd already almost be at goal.
I though about clen because people said it was more effective than eca with less sides, and seeing that I eca does nothing to me I considered running it by itself for 2 weeks and switch back to eca until receptors normalize. T3 I have no experoence with and know how dangerous it can be, I know how to dose it but I honestly don't think I need to reach an extremety given that I'm dropping a little and I'm not an IFFB PRO.
Perhaps I could do clen short term??
Im glad you took the advice positively bro. We"re just looking out for one another. Im sure some guys on here wish they had ppl advising them when they first cycled, so its good everyones sharing their knowledge. Trust me when you get close to your natural peak before you juice, youll respond a hell lot better to aas, and it will be very noticeable, im sure many ppl juice for that reason. Some guys that start aas way before their peak, dont even look like they touched anabolics. If you look at some of the pics here ppl put up after they cycle some look incredible while others just look the same. Good luck
Ditch any thoughts you have about using clen or T3 and ditch the thought of running a winnie/anavar cycle. Your goal should be relatively attainable without any AAS right now. It will take some time so don't expect a miracle overnight. If I was in your shoes looking to do what you want (lose 18lbs fat and gain 10lbs muscle) this is how I would go about it. Drop that 18lbs naturally. At your current bodyfat it is relatively easy to drop fat with diet and cardio alone. You aren't going to need any AAS to do that. Once you have lost the amount of fat that you want to, THEN I would consider using AAS to put on the muscle you desire. Gaining muscle is a much more difficult and time consuminig endeavor than losing fat, so save any AAS use if you so desire for reaching your lean body mass goals. Who knows, you may be so pleased with how you look and feel after dropping the fat that you may not even want to run a cycle of AAS.
Kyubi,
So just to be clear, you've never run gear before, and are only looking to run it for 4 weeks? Why such a short time?
Also, if you're not going to run a full cycle of test (whether e or p) then I really wouldn't bother with anavar or winstrol as oral only cycles are ineffective and you'll end up losing any gains you make. I wouldn't touch the t3 as it is extremely catabolic and you will end up losing muscle mass, as I know certain guys end up losing it even when on AAS. Clenbuterol damages the heart, so I wouldn't recommend running that either.
Honestly, if you're not going to do a full cycle, why not just run an ECA stack? Or ask some of the diet gurus on this site to modify your diet and see how much more you can squeeze out that way?
I am on none, I was suggested low doses of oral winny+var for 4 weeks. T3 and clen are also options I have.
Ok I thought you said you were already on cycle and asking how to finish it. Since you didnt start yet, I would honestly drop to at least 12% with a stricter diet and cardio first before starting aas. The leaner and bigger you are naturally before starting, the better your body metabolizes aas and it will make your physique look much more impressive when you finish a cycle, and I had way better gains that way.
Hey bro, what aas are you on right now? And you plan running the orals for 4 weeks?