posted Wed, 04/18/2018 - 16:48
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Okay, I know I’m a nub when I asked this question, but I’ve been taking Anavar at 35mg twice a day. I do not expect instant results, but I am wondering if I should feel any kind of way; I bought Test just in case my sex drive took a hit but hasnt had the issue (yet). But in my head I still wonder if it’s the plusibo affect. Sorry for the spelling.
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"This cycle is on the 5th day."....said yesterday....posted this the day before.
So you have been taking anavar for 4 days when you posted this. What were you expecting in four days? That's a rhetorical question.
It's ok to stop this "early into a cycle" lol...
You said your bmi is 35%..is that actually bmi or body fat percentage? Because BMI is complete bullshit. If you're cycling to cut then your natural bf% should be already low, like 15ish if not lower.
I'm gonna guess this is your first go around with steroids, but you've (sortakinda) been on trt, soooo are you afraid of needles? Why the oral only? Especially when you say you have low test anyway??
None of that makes any sense.
If your test is low, then get on test, back on dr prescribed trt. Get in shape, get your bf% low.
Well, we tried. All that advice and we get one co-sign and out the fucking window it all goes. Fucking plonker.
Really? I may be a plonker, but either way it looks like your more talk then walk; troller. After reviewing your profile, you’ve tired possibly 1 cycle if that and nothing else no pictures to show the results of your hard work, but to your credit have started and commented in quit a few forums. Although I may be new, and may/will fail I’m not you and will only give information from my own experiences; not those that are derived from someone else’s.
Oh dear... you might want to put some prep-h on that little fuckhole of yours and calm down. I was calling Cochise a plonker for coming in here and co-signing this.
You’ve clearly done your homework on me and figured me out. I’ve finally been exposed by the almighty frogcutter. I, along with others here, have tried to give you the advice you seeked, but clearly you’re here only to hear what you want. Good luck with your cycle, get fucked, and have a great day.
And before you start crying, I’ll come out and let you know I gave you your -2 for your response to Cochise. That kind of stupidity warrants it.
Impassable- Okay. I stopped Var like you said and got some prep-h. I was in my feelings about all the reading I’ve done and it not being “as advertised.” ( my fault not anyone else’s).
Is taking test still okay, and I am wondering if 250mg every 4th day is okay. I’m still trying to cut, building a little strength along the way is fine also..
Before doing that I would strongly suggest you make an appointment with your endo and get your TRT prescription started back. If you needed it before then you are always going to need it. The best way to fuck up a TRT script is to show up to one appointment with low test and another with superhuman levels of test. Get that squared away first. That's what I would do at least.
Agree. Get your baseline test levels taken care of. This means you’re going to hold off on cycling for a few months due to recurring check ups to see where your levels are at. Once all of that is taken care of you’re going to have to figure out what you would need for a simple beginner test cycle, and make sure that the timing won’t interfere with any check ups or appointments that would show your levels way above TRT levels.
Use the time in between to nail down a proper diet with nutrition rich foods, not just calorie rich foods. You’ll be able to get some more natural (semi-natural since TRT?) growth in, and really get some in depth knowledge about proper cycles, the physiological effects, etc.
It’s not the quick fix you’re looking for, but doing things the right way pays dividends over the long term.
I’m giving your karma back, you’re acting like a gentleman
No homo.
Thank you both for the advice. Okay but I have a stupid question for y’all now; the TRT that I talked about before didn’t come from an Endocrinologist, but my normal doctor; and she prescribed test. Is this still the same TRT y’all are referring to?
TRT is TRT. I haven’t heard of a GP prescribing it, but if she did then you should go back to her I suppose. Usually endocrinologists prescribe it because it’s more within the realm of their specialties than a GP is used to. Either way it’s still the same thing we’re discussing.
Any reason you were taken off? TRT is a lifelong thing, not sure why she took you off.
That’s why I’m uncertain about everything with regards toTRT. And if it was a test replacement.. or if my DR; meant it to be a “fix.” Because she prescribed 100mg every other week, and I was instructed by her than after the first 3 months was done I should only be taking the test every other week, and to try and go longer before a shot. But the prescription type, strength, doseage never changed.. is my uncertainty making any sense?
It can take a GP about a year to dial you in with the proper dose. At the end of each injection protocol, you get bloods drawn. When you come back consistently in the 600 to 800 range then you'll be set lose with a blood check every 6 months, than every year.
In the meantime, you lift, you train, and you learn.
Looking for the quick fix and shortcuts is immature and may show that you don't have the discipline and patience to run a good cycle.
Yeah, it normally comes from an endo but a general GP can and occasionally will prescribe it. I have kind of a similar thing going on. I am prescribed medication for ADHD, and that typically comes from a psychiatrist. I was evaluated and prescribed by a psychiatrist as a child, but my GP now manages it. I think that it boils down to the doctor's trust as you in a patient not to abuse it as well as thier belief that the medication will assist you. With all of that being said, your doctor may be somewhat confused as to how best to prescribe test since it is outside of her general wheelhouse. Regardless, the fact that you were prescribed test in the past will go a looooooong way for getting you prescribed again if you have to see an endo.
Big heads up tough - DON'T USE SYNTHETIC TEST BEFORE YOU SEE A DOCTOR AND START TRT. I put that sentence in all caps because if you do you run the risk of some still being in your system when your TRT blood work is ran, which would cause you to test in or above the normal test range and therefore ruin your chances of being put back on.
Your quickest option in my opinion would be to go back to the same doctor who put you on originally. If she tries to put you on short term again, ask for a referral to an endo. That way you can ride the small dose she gives you until the endo appointment and also go in to it with a doctor supporting that you be on. It very well may be that she thinks that you need to be on TRT but isn't comfortable managing it long-term. So she gave you enough to get by and hoped that you would go to an endo long term. It makes sense, but if that is the case, she should have referred you to an endo as well.
Yeah it is. I’d honesty set up an appointment with an endo who has experience with TRT/HRT and go from there.
You might have to go through other methods first with them, since TRT usually is a last resort.
Thank you. I’ll start looking for an Endocrinologist ASAP. This information is most helpful and I’m glad I’m on a better track to where I need to get.
+1 for thinking the right way. You will really be happy that you did long term. Don't forget that the doctor who gave you your first prescription can give you a referral to an endocrinologist. A referral from a doctor who has already put you on test in the past will make it much more likely that the endocrinologist roll you straight in to TRT without all of the formalities.
Keep us posted
Okay. I’ll talk with my DR today
Thank you.
RustyhookerDammit. Fuzzy plonker....
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Frogcutter 20 minutes ago @The Impastable NEW
"Yes, but I have 3 vials @250 test E; which I was going to start if the car ranked my sex life, but also I was going to add it to towards the end of the cycle @ 125 ew."
Are you really 39? From this post I gather you're not anywhere near 39. Let's be honest now.....
I missed stated the amounts.
I have 3 10ml vials of Test E, which is 250mg/ml that I intended to take if the var wrecked my sex drive.
But have since been told to take it along side the var.
Lol
Goose are you hitting on me? I don’t feel 39, or act it. But yeah I’m 39 using my iPhone so auto correct is a bitch.
Are you taking var in an attempt to lose weight?
To lose a few more pounds of body fat and tighten up other areas.
That is kind of what I suspected. Var and other AAS are not fat burners, they are tissue builders. It is not a weight loss pill. There are much better options for actual lypolysis with fewer negatives sides.than trying to run a var cycle for fat loss. Anavar does have a high affinity for the androgen receptors compared to some other steroids stepping it up a notch for lypolysis but it is unrealistic to expect a whole heck alot out of it especially at higher BF %. Risks far outweigh the gains at this point. You will get better bang for your buck and health with a just a good diet and cardio until your BF gets closer to the single digits. This is where you may start to notice the lypolysis results and where it may actually be needed to use var and the results start becoming worth the risks to be running it. Bottom line, lot better and safer options out there until you start getting in the lower bodyfat range.
basskiller89X2 brother
the only magic fruits imo are apples and bananas lol
Oral only cycle?
Yes, but I have 3 vials @250 test E; which I was going to start if the car ranked my sex life, but also I was going to add it to towards the end of the cycle @ 125 ew.
Makwa pretty much said all that needed to be said. You’re going to yo yo the minute you come off the var because you’re not going to be able to build any long term changes on an oral only cycle without doing harm to your body from prolonged oral use.
Test is the absolute base in all beginner and intermediate cycles, and in most advanced cycles. We preach test as a base at all times because for 99.99% of the people on here, they’re not competing or at the stage where running a cycle without test would be beneficial.
You running 125 test per week isn’t going to be beneficial in anyway as that will put you at around or a slight bit over your natural production (depending on age, genetics, etc)
You’re also using anavar as a weight loss shortcut, which as Mak put it is not what it’s for. Diet dictates how you will get to your goals, not drugs. Drugs can be looked at as catalysts to accelerate or enhance what your diet is already doing for you. You can’t build a house if you don’t have your tools, and diet is why your tool is. In my opinion you should stop now, PCT, and re-evaluate your diet and training to get you where you want to be. Plenty members on here can offer you some superb advice with that.
Think anavar is quite mild, won’t feel a lot. If you are serious with what you’re doing, you should have just done Test only cycle instead of playing with orals, bet you would feel that and would not even have to ask this question.
Can you provide more information on your stats? We have height and weight, but need body fat %, training history, cycle history and goals to give good advice.
I can say that oral only cycles are a bad idea. They will tank your natural testosterone production as bad as injectables and the vast majority of the gains that you make are not lean muscle and will disappear as soon as you discontinue and try to restart your natural testosterone production.
To be honest, you need to be using testosterone as a base for this, but I am not comfortable giving you cycle advice until I know more about you. Also, that is not to say that pinning test for 4-6 weeks with an oral is going to produce results worth crashing your HPTA axis. Oral steroids should only be used at the start of a true injectable cycle, at the end or in some cases pulsed throughout. Unless you are a woman they are not in the least meant to be used as a standalone.
Please provide more information on your past cycles and training history. How long have you been on?
You will feel am uptick in strength and energy for the first week or two, then it will crash and you will start to feel like asshole when your HPTA axis shutdown. And that is only half of what you will feel when you cut the Var out at the end of the "cycle".
Bad idea all the way around
(I have added a picture to my profile that was taken before the start of my cycle)
Thank you; and thank you all for the advice and straight talk. I’ve been working out for about 7 years. Like some just started to be more than I was physically. Last year I bought a stack from CENSORED.in which was a cutting cycle. But soon realized that my diet wasn’t as locked in as I thought. Completed it, cycled off. I noticed with the Winstrol that came with the stack the pumps and density felt great. But due to Winstrol having more negativity than Anavar I opted for var.
I’m 39, 225lbs, 5’9. Not “fat” but the last time I checked my BMI it was 35%; which I was disappointed in considering how hard I feel I workout; but after realizing how I was screwing up my food diet I understood and fixed the problem.
I workout pretty consistently 6 days a week, 2 if the days are strength training days 10x3 bench, 4x8 all others; or 10x3 curls and deadlifts and 4x8 all others, with cardio at the end to help burn the extra calories, the remaining 4 days are more 3x15 or 3x20 endurance/cardio days.
This cycle is on the 5th day.
I got my gear from CENSORED who had great reviews so I’m not trying to cast shade on their products ESPECIALLY if it’s the end users stupidity at fault.
Again I know lack of understanding is the reason most people do more harm than good, I felt after researching another cycle for about 4 months that anavar and test was the best way for me as I do NOT want to get bigger; but want to be more define, a bit of fat lose, and more muscle density
Thanks for all of the additional information and adding pictures. That really helps. Yeah, diet and exercise- mainly diet are all that you need to get to where you want to be. Anavar or any other anabolic is going to do more to hurt you in the long run. You may notice a slight uptick in fat loss and strength when you are on, but trust me when you come off and the dust settles you will be further behind than you were to start with.
Check this post out, it is in the "weight loss" section of the training, nutrition and exercise category.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/foolpro...
Method 1 works best for me, but that's just me. Study this post and others like it, model your diet accordingly and keep training hard and you WILL see the results that you want. Think long-term. Focus on losing the fat while perfecting your weight training for the next six months or so. Then you will be ready to truly embark on an AAS cycle and gain maximum, sustainable benefits. Also, during this time I would suggest that you research AAS heavily and focus on the in's and out's of a first cycle. You will be so much better off in the long run.
Finally, I know that you are new and I really want you to "make it" here and enjoy all that this site has to offer, and it is against forum rules to mention sources or labs in open forum. You mentioned two sources by name in your reply to me, so just watch that going forward.
Good luck and keep us all posted on your progress.
Just out of curiosity, have you had your baseline testosterone tested recently? There is always the chance that you may have low T and be a candidate for TRT. DON'T SELF ADMINISTER, just saying it may be worth a trip to the doctor to see where your at as you approach 40 if you have not done so recently.
Thank you very much for the help and advice. I have had my baseline done and have even informed my doctor of what I was( at the time) planning to do and although due to ethical limitations in guidance, she did have a baseline on me already and has me set to do follow ups every three months for blood work. BEWARE TMI, I did have low T and was prescribed test at a therapeutic level, but after I finalized the divorce it actually went back to a little below normal rather than double digits.
You are very welcome. So, just to make sure that I am understanding you correctly, you were on TRT and your levels dropped while on TRT? Or did you discontinue use and then they dropped?
Okay. Respectfully because you have all been helpful as F. The question of what now remains.
I will not flush 300.00 down the toilet and we all know it’s not going to last months on a shelf.
My workout is good and 6 x week.
My diet is good; now.
What is the best course of action from here on out?
Because all the advice is great but I’m taking 35mg x2 ed. Should I lower it to 25? 30?
No, stop completely. The gear will not go bad if kept in a dark place at room temps. I have shit that’s 2 years old in my stash. Get where you need to be, then you can run a proper cycle with what you have and only order whatever you may neeed in addition.
No I was placed on TRT, but discounted after my levels raised back within acceptable levels after about 9 months of 100mg ew, then wow, and finally 3 months “as needed” such as noticing mood changes, depression type situations etc. but haven’t needed to refill the script for a few months now. Does that make sense?
It does. TRT is a "for life" thing though. It's not going to bring back your natural testosterone. If you were on and then stopped, chances are that you are lower than before starting. I would advise you to get back on at the level that you were prescribed and stay there. It will help you immensely
It does. TRT is a "for life" thing though. It's not going to bring back your natural testosterone. If you were on and then stopped, chances are that you are lower than before starting. I would advise you to get back on at the level that you were prescribed and stay there. It will help you immensely
thank you.
That is 100% diet and exercise. Unfortunately it seems you have fallen into the trap that steroids are needed to do this. Walking a slippery slope.
5’9 230? If your lean or overweight bro that Anavar is just going to give you strength and tank your libido add some testosterone to the mix if your lean if your not, stop taking that shit now and get on a diet-
RustyhookerSo hes been on orals a few weeks, misled everyone, and now gonna add in test to wait 4ish weeks to peak. The guy has no clue bro. So now its a 16 plus week cycle?
I was thinking more like prop if he stays doing what he’s doing but yea I see he has enenthate, he should stop cause the stats tell me he’s over weight
And 35mg twice a day is too much if it’s real,
I don’t care what them 80mg taking fools say.. if you gotta take that much of an oral to get results than try something stronger
(not you, them fools who take shit like 80-100mg of Anavar a day. .. pointless)
×2 this is not a good decision dose wide, drug wise, cycle wise.....everywise
Everything thing I’ve read says to keep the hormone consistent by taking a dose in the AM and PM.
You should be good with Test, Anavar 20mg am and 20mg pm if that dose doesn’t work either it’s weak ugl or it’s not for you
SMH