posted Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:10
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First Cycle...
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Me and my buddy are getting ready to start our first cycle next week, once everything comes in. Here it is:
Test E - Weeks 1-10 at 500mg/week
Test P - Weeks 1-3 at 300mg/week
Anavar - Weeks 2-9 at 50mg/day
Exemestane - 1-10 25mg/EOD
Clen - Weeks 10&11 starting at 40mg/day and going up to 120mg/day
Clomid - PCT
Also have about 2 weeks of winny available but I most likely wont use it. Let me know what you guys think.
Chris
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Alright so heres some stats, me and my buddy will be running the same cycle. We have different body builds and we have both run a cycle of pure winny only about a year ago.
My buddy is about 5'11" and at a weight of 185 age 21. He is more of a slim build and he cuts up pretty good when he follows a plan and works out appropriately. We have both been in competitive sports since we were young and have been lifting for about 5 years. He is 22(which i know most people are gonna think were to young).
Me on the other hand, I am 6'2" about 260ish givin the day. I am built with wide large shoulders, big legs, large chest. Just an all around bigger guy. Even in my leanest times i dont fall much under 230. Do not know body fat %. Our diet is dialed in pretty well and at the moment we live in the same apartment so its pretty easy to ensure the meals are ready and that we are eating the right things. Ive been on a diet for almost a week and have cut 7 lbs just by eating right and working out.
Diet:
Meal 1: 6 egg whites in the morning
Followed by 30-45 min cardio
Snack: Protein Shake (milk, chunky peanut butter, and 2 scoops protein)
Meal 2: 6-8 oz chicken with half can Green beans
Then i go to work 12:30-9 cst most days.
While there I will take another protein shake for me to snack on throughout the day
Meal 3: 8 oz chicken with large sweet potato or 1 cup cooked brown rice.
Gym after work - circuit training for cardio and standard muscle group workouts
Possible meal 4: turkey or Chicken with broccoli
Thats what I am currently on, my buddies is a little different because hes a smaller dude.
I wont speak for my buddy, but my main goals throughout this cycle is to bulk at the beginning and then cut the access fat. at the moment BF is probubly over the recommended 15% but I tend to cut fat extremely fast. I know a lot of people dont recommend it to larger guys for the gyno and fat issues but if done properly I have seen a lot larger dudes then me flip there bodies very easily.
As for the cycle, tprop is being used to kick start the cycle because test e can take a few weeks before you start noticing some differences. We will be monitoring ourselves and most likely not starting the var until after the tprop is done so that we know what is causing issues if we run into any. Most def will cust back on the exemestane, since everyone seems to think it is to high. Just wanted to make sure we were controlling our estrogen levels so that we didnt have gyno issues. Other then not running a cycle, with me being a bigger dude would you guys still not recommend running exem every other at 25 mg? just want to make sure.
Sorry for the book but you guys asked for hit haha
Last thing. Test P will be split into 3 injections of 100 mg/injection per week and Test e will be broke into 2 injections of 250 mg/injection per week.
Let me know what you guys think, but lets try to stay away from the your to big to run test and all that stuff, it affects everyone differently and you dont know how it would affect a current body state until it is ran. Im also not looking to be ripped out of my mind by the end of it either, thats to come later. Thanks for the help guys
AGREED! (with everyone)
Not enough info (stats would help alot i.e. if BF is too high then scrap var all together)
If BF is above 15% then (pat recommendation) diet, cardio, (thermogenic?) ...but again without goals stated that would be merely a blanket suggestion.... there are several different ways of approach. Rods suggestion being a highly acceptable
approach... but without more info its difficult to nail it down
if going with a test p as a kicker up the dose (150eod) and extend to 4wks (and (IMO) a test p taper is always desirable)
...and YES overkill on the EX
But the standard blanket response would be:
wks 1-12 test e 500(split)
AI (on hand)
PCT nolva 40/40/20/20
(and this post belongs in cycles)
Sorry about posting it in the wrong forum, didnt realize i did until it was to late. getting ready to put up some stats on me and my buddy in just a moment
tread-mYou should put up age and stats and of course ....goals. hard to advise you when we know nothing about you or. no idea of what you want? Advise is a guess at best witbhout it.....
stats and a little more or up, so let me know what you think.
tread-mWell I tend to like most of whats here in advise...the turtle wins and you have walls to break down later so nice and slow so you have not used all your ammo when the walls show up...Rods is in the ballpark and I like the prop load and taper from H as I always did before blast and cruise age....now I load for 6 months a nd taper for 6..lol. but seriously looks good here and take it slow brother, no hurries here. Now remember, compounds and gym is easy, its diet that is tough and determines everything! You and your buddy will have different diets in my opinion even though I dont know his exact goal. I would assume he wants to bulk a little more and eat big on red meat and chicken (lean) and you want a variation of hat but maybe even a little leaner for you with more chicken and fish than red meat in his case....watch the carbs for both on a good diet and stay clean, especially you. You are the lucky one to me because you get to carve out whats already there and just make it better , he will have to go big in diet and lifting, or bigger lets say, to achieve what will seem easier for you in my opinion....so end of the day you have to decide. I think way basic and do the work and have plenty of compounds in our chest for later when you really need them. Dont go scorched earth on this first little battle and show up o the real war with very little ammo. Diet is the real building and the real work...
tread-mDP
AnonLike others said best keep it simple on your first run. Also the exemestane at 25mg eod is a bit overkill for such a cycle. More like 6-12,5mg eod is what you will need even if you run the stack. If you are set on running anavar just run it from weeks 6-12 or when your pct is, that will give you enough time to see how you react on the test. I would suggest you skip the test prop on this run or use it just before you enter pct.
Week 1-12 test e 500mg
Week 8-14 anavar 50mg
Week 1-14 aromasin 12.5mg eod
Week 12-14 tprop 100mg/150mg eod
Week 14-18 pct
Also i wouldnt run the clen or winny at all.
Hey man were def gonna skip on the clen and winny. May run the clen after the PCT if we need the little extra fat loss. The whole idea behind running the test P at the beginning was to kick start the cycle since test E can take a while to kick in. Just curious as to the reason for throwing it at the end instead of the front. thanks for the input man
my thought exactly, 1st time users dont need to stack gear, i wouldnt even take a chance at possibly waisting my money as everybody is different and gear reacts differently with different people. Take it slow, as steroids can be dangerous if not used properly. we dnt wanna see you have some major side affects. I recommend trying a short estered form of test that way if you have serious side affects it wont take nearly as long to get it outta your system. Stacks are more for the advanced users. Get some experience under your belt before jumping all in. Im not trying to preach at you just a lil brotherly advice. I would recommend something more like test cypionate (is a longer ester but the side affect are usually mild) or test prop with nothing else and then focus mainly on clean dieting. I will be the 1st to tell you proper dieting makes the majority of the difference in the results your trying to achieve. for instance I have 2 friends that running the same exact gear that i am, I am the only one who has got on a good eating schedule and clean diet, we are all looking for the same results, however since I started back using gear 17 weeks ago, Ive gained 38 lbs, neither of the other two guys have reached more than 8 lbs as one of them has a very similar body type as me. just a suggestion. We will be more than happy to help you here to get you to where you wanna be
Bro your doing to much for your first cycle. If you do follow through with a cycle, make it a standard beginners. For convenience run Test E since you already have it, keep the dose at 500mg a week. But if at all possible run it for 12 weeks or longer.
The reason I am advising only Test is, so that for future cycles you will know how your body will react, and what to expect.
Other than that keep the exemestane EOD at 25mg, and run the clomid at 50/50/50/50. If you are trying to shed some weight you may run some clen, but keep it at a mild mild dose. Good Luck....
I definitely see what your saying. Test P is to kick start the cycle since Test E can take a few weeks to really kick in. Then the Anavar is being used to help lean us out.