Do you lose all results?
I used roids when I was 21 for a few months. Now im 26, and am considering another cycle. When I did them 5 years ago, I knew nothing about diet and nutrition, and did not do a post cycle. I lost pretty much everything I gained when I stopped my cycle after being on for about 6 months. My question is... with a proper diet and exercise regimen, would I still lose everything I gained after I finish a cycle? I don't want to do it again if ill just lose everything. I have an extremely hard time gaining muscle naturally, even with proper diet, exercise and a top notch trainer... Im a fairly slender guy who everyone says looks in shape. I gained A LOT of weight on my cycles at 21. How do you keep as much of the muscle as possible (even after PCT)? And how much do you keep if you do it right with proper diet and exercise?
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The reason people lose their gains is because they stop training hard and eating like they did while they were on cycle.
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Alphamale500From my own experience, you can certainly keep SOME of your gains from your cycle. If you think you can keep every last pound of your gains, then of course you're dreaming! Keep in mind that when running a bulking cycle, much of those supposed "gains" can be water anyhow. Ime, there are 3 very crucial aspects as to whether or not you'll retain any muscle you've gained while on cycle. They are; a solid PCT protocol, diet and training, and which compounds were used.
To try and keep this short, your best chance at keeping a good portion of your gains imo, is to first of all pick the right compounds to run. Of course you're gonna need test. But besides test, try and pick a dry compound that'll build steady gains of lean muscle over longer periods. Primo would be a very good choice when looking for a compound that'll add on steady gains of lean muscle over a long period. And maybe some tbol stacked with that will help add on those steady gains of lean muscle tissue, along with its very beneficial SHBG binding effects. EQ can be a good choice for slow steady gains as well.
Also, everyone's body is different. So, what works for me may not work well for you. But be sure to put a lot of thought and research into the compounds you choose to run. And PCT is a very important factor as well. The quicker you can get your body back to homeostasis, the better. If you choose very harsh compounds that are gonna shut you down for a long period of time, what do you think is gonna happen to your gains during that time? Good luck bro!
Btw, being that you're 5'11" and only 170 lbs, you really should be focusing on your diet at this point anyhow.
AnonCan we stop talking about steroids now?
You need to be asking questions like, how do I build muscle.
Alphamale500You're right, he should really be focusing on diet and training at this point.
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Answering your question is actually a little more complicated than I think you realize. When it comes down to keeping your “gains” it can happen if they’re “real gains”.
Now when I say that there’s a big difference between running a 12-20 week cycle with cleaner compounds and building lean muscle. Compared to using wetter/dirty compounds and putting on water weight and fat with little to no muscle.
As an example: Will dbol or Anadrol blow you up in 4 weeks? YES! but are you going to keep those “gains”? No of course not because it wasn’t real muscle added.
With clean compounds and a good solid diet and a realistic goal you can keep what you gained.
Your body will not maintain anything without the juice. You will not maintain it. You will not look as ripped not as big. Anyone that’s says other wise is a liar.
Wait, so everyone else who commented is wrong about being able to maintain if the right amount of food, exercise, and PCT is done?
You can PCT your test levels will go back to normal but also your muscle too. You won’t have the 3D look. So you will not look the same or no where near it.
AnonFuck I'm 12lbs heavier than my start weight and don't see a difference. You look in the mirror every day so it's harder to notice. Plus the weight is distributed and the tan from the summer is gone. If I do a side by side pic with a tan again I bet I'd see it...the 3d look is hugely affected by the color of your skin. And being on gear..
So yeah, even if skinny bones gains and keeps 10lbs of lbm, he won't even notice after a while besides the scale difference.
Bang'emI think everyone has a hard time seeing the gains they get, and always look the same size as when you started. The way I know that Im getting bigger is when absolute strangers tell me.
Melanotan2 adds 5 lbs to me in the mirror
Im fine with looking nowhere near the same, but trying to figure out how to at least keep some muscle gains. You're the first person on this thread that says theres no way to keep any of what you gained. What do you think in regards to what everyone else on this thread has said?
He's right, you may stay slightly heavier in build after cycling with a bit more strength as long as you keep training hard but generally a lot of what is built on gear is eventually lost. Think about this - If you cycle 500mg Test & 400mg Deca for example then go back down to the bodies peak natural Test level of around 50mg a week at best, how can you possibly support muscle that was built on your body being nearly 20 times more anabolic? Scientifically it is just not possible. Hence why people keep cycling - 2 steps forward, then 1 step back after PCT then 2 steps forward again on cycle and so on....
But if you’re taking one step back after two steps forward, that’s about half the results you’re keeping lol. I’m looking to do it for about a year (repeating a cycle and then following pct). I’m 165lbs eating clean. And 175 currently eating poorly since it’s the holiday season. Once I get back to 165lbs, I just want to gain 20lbs of muscle that I can keep. I don’t care about any extra so much. It seems realistic to at least keep 20lbs (given proper diet, training, and pct) after a certain amount of time. You wouldn’t agree?
Bang'emBro 20 pounds of muscle is a lot of muscle, even if you were to gain 20 pounds of muscle on cycle there is no way your keeping it off cycle.
You have any idea how much 20lbs of real muscle is or looks like? You live in a fantasy land if you think you will gain 20lbs of muscle period.....lol.
TronBe sure to hit a spot on pct..force yourself to lift heavy and often .. even though you may not feel like it.. nutrition.. protein intake..all that's got to be spot on..I also like creatine and a good n.o. booster. You do all that and are on point ..you can keep a decent amount of muscle..expect the vascularity to go some.
How much you lose will also be based on your cycle and what kind of weight you put on. If you run a cycle thats "wet" ie: deca/npp, dbol, adrol, etc you gonna lose alot because your gonna gain alot of water weight and glycogen retention. Dont be so worried about the scale a look at what the mirror tells you. 6-8 lbs of REAL muscle mass is a big visual difference. Eat clean but in a surplus and lift like you fucking mean it!! All the gear in the world wont do shit if you dont break down that muscle tissue and feed the animal.
You can keep some of your gains after a cycle, but it depends a lot of good PCT, and maintaining discipline in the gym and out.
You will lose some, but you should keep some also if you do the above properly.
I hear this answer a lot, but my question is the degree of "some." The some that I keep, is it enough for me to even notice a difference? Also, check out my question in two of the comments below about staying at your genetic limit after a cycle. Id love to hear your opinion on that.
A top notch trainer huh. Trade him in for a coach or dietitian cause apparently you dont have your macros figured out yet
I agree with the below info saying your not eating enough
Whatever your eating now !!! EAT MORE
on cycle EAT MORE THAN THAT
Then after cycle EAT MORE THAN ON CYCLE to maintain the new weight. My qucik math is gona have you eating ATLEAST 4,000 calories aday EVERDAY OF YOUR LIFE
Ill ask you the same question as the other guy. "So from my understanding, when you start using roids, you go beyond your genetic limit. When you stop (properly) you will lose everything above your genetic limit, and just stay where your genetic limit is (again, given proper PCT, diet, and exercise). As long as I do everything properly, wont this be the case?"
If you slack off you will lose everything...
Eample i know a guy who started juicing at 140 lbs and did 3 cycles and slacked off and lost everything. Now fith cycle in finally grew up learned diet AFTER cycle and now off cycle he maintains 184 pounds. On no steroids
It took him 6 years only cause it took him sooo long to get it in his head YOU HAVE TO EAT TO MAINTAIN the new weight after cycle
AnonYour body will let go of any extra weight it does not want to support after your cycle and pct. You can hold onto some of the gains, it's different for everyone. If you don't eat and train to support the new lean mass it will go away. Using steroids as a boost to get big once and then get off the sauce is a very, VERY, common theme here..it's not going to work like you will want it too. You may wind up with nice mass after the cycle, but if you already can't hold onto what you have because of your metabolism, you will find it even harder to hold onto any extra you gain. Honestly, at 5'11 and 170, as your stats say, you might as well just do it naturally, your problem is eating food. On cycle you will have to eat more, so just eat more now, skip the drugs, save your nuts and see where you plateau without them. Then, after you've figured out how to eat to support your 190lb new frame, which you should have at 5'11, then you could consider drugs. But your plan is not going to work in your favor. You'll be back to square one quick if you use steroids to gain mass you already dont know how to support.
It takes time to restart your axis, and restore your testosterone levels with a pct. Without additional testosterone your body will begin to lose muscle, so you're guaranteed to lose a chunk, if you gained 20, lost 10-15, what's the point?
WillzillaYou dont sound like you have convinced yourself of what you want to do or what yourgoals are......if someone says "i dont want to do it again if illjust loose everything" thats the wrong attitude. You should be thinking, yea you lost alot but you are fucking ready to be the best you can be. In allthoseyears it doesnt sound like you have learnt alot
AnonScrews get loose
the detroit Lions will lose.
Write that down...that's how you tell the difference between loose and lose.
WillzillaI've got another few typo's in there too. Feel free to jump on them
AnonNah, typos happen..just loose and lose is annoying because I read it the correct way lol
WillzillaI apologise. I've got dicks for fingers and a touch screen phone to comment on this.
AnonLol just messing with you
The Detroit lions are still a football team
AnonBarely...lol
Wouldnt it suck to be the best you can be and then no longer be that anymore once you stop... Im looking for tips/advice on how to maximize results once im finished. Also the reason why im on here, so I can learn more.
AnonIn all fairness, with one cycle, we're talking about maintaining 10 possibly 15lbs..but that's where you should be naturally at 5'11. If you can't get there and hold it, you're just waisting your time.
I say that with sincerity, and am not being a dick. I promise you, I have no dog in this race, but I do know this for sure. 100%. No doubt in my mind. This happens at least twice a month, maybe more.
So you're saying that if I gain an extra 10lbs from roids, ill be able to keep it, but only if id be able to have gotten that extra 10lbs naturally?
AnonNo, I'm saying if you can't keep an additional 10lbs today, you won't be able to keep it tomorrow. You're basically underweight as it is, so that just implies you're not eating enough to out do your metabolism.
If you use steroids to gain the 10lbs or whatever, you will have to eat more, but you already need to eat more, so you'll need to eat DOUBLE MORE! Lol if that makes sense.. basically for the single cycle goal you have, you'll get 10 lbs solid after pct hopefully, well, you're already 10lbs under weight, so just eat more and keep lifting. You'll hit your goal naturally and save your body the stress of steroids, plus the money...and the blood work, and the extra food you put in for the weight that you only keep part of..
So from my understanding, when you start using roids, you go beyond your genetic limit. When you stop (properly) you will lose everything above your genetic limit, and just stay where your genetic limit is (again, given proper PCT, diet, and exercise). As long as I do everything properly, wont this be the case?
AnonNot exactly, for you personally, you will just be getting closer to your genetic limit. Steroids will help you pass it, and yes, after you stop you will lose all but what your genetics allow.
You're using this to rationalize using steroids though, if you use them and don't continue to eat waaaay more food you'll be back down to your original weight soon.
You're not doing it properly without them, so how exactly would you know how to adjust during, and post cycle?
So my trainer had me on a diet plan. Eating clean, I was about 165 lbs. the past month of eating terribly, i'm 175 lbs (the max I've ever been able to get even with eating junk food all the time). I'm going to cut in the new year back down to 165 and then try bulking again. So after I get an idea of how much to eat, that would be a good time for me to consider a cycle?
AnonEat chicken and rice. Every 2-3 hours.. calculate your tdee, total calorie need for the day to maintain, and add 500+ to gain, subtract at least 500 to LOSE.
Its math, eating, eating, shopping for food to eat, eating, a little more math to adjust to new lean weight, some weightlifting, beautiful deep restful sleep every night, wake up at 1 am to pee, have a shake, wake up in morning with fork in mouth shoveling stuff you don't really like deep into your gullet.
Losing weight is easy! Gaining weight blows fucking donkey dick, for a skinny guy, steroids or not.
Take that to the bank..