Dbol bloat really that bad?
I have been interested in dbol for some time, but I have always avoided the stuff due tithe reported bloating issues. But I am wondering if the bloat is not something like the "tren rage" you often hear about... Where, yeah, ok, it is there, but it is no where near what people make it out to be. The reason I am asking is because if all the threads I have seen around the web it seems to be either "dude. No bloat at all!" or "I swelled like the fucking Michelin man!".
Also I alway read a lot of this dependent on a low sodium, high water intake diet... Which I would guess goes without saying if trying to stay lean.
I am looking at this from a guy whom has always bulked clean and lean off of test/tren... but I am interested in more bigger gains now. Or at least try the stuff... can't really claim to e a steroid user and never have tried dbol... Haha. Not really though.
Will I gain a lot of water weight? Will I keep my ( or at least some) of my vascularity?
Cheers for any feedback!
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ScruffGrindrI get bloating from Dbol. It comes and goes. When its present it makes me feel like I need to pass gas.
I always ran dbol at a low dose with other compounds at low dose and managed to make the most of it but the key is good quality and of course diet which you already know. I wouldn't go higher than 10-15 like the flash said but I'd only run it for a month. Everyone's goals are different but I like low dose especially because it's a kick. Anadrol was a disaster for me, kidney pain, bloat, gyno the whole nine. This is really subjective. Dbol gets you strong as shit though so if you take advantage of the increased strength and go 100% on all your maxes you're bound to gain a lot of muscle, when the oils kick in you'll keep it, this all depends on you though. Good Ais good diet low dose, you'll be fine.
Few ways ive learned running anadrol or dbol with sucess ( keeping gains )
Pulsing- this can be a few ways- either weeks or days- 2 weeks on 1 week off or 3 weeks on 10 days off etc find the timing that suits you.
Days- 7 on 3 off etc etc
Also low low dose for longer periods of time.
So dbol- 5-10 mgs a day for 8- 10 weeks.
Anadrol 15-20 mgs a day the same way.
Obviously let your test build up b4 using- so long estered test i would start the orals week -4 same week youd be gauging estro and contemplating bloods.
Run ai according to half life of the ai used.
Run you test way beyond your orals.
Ancillaries including your liver/ kidney support a must.
Your approach seems different from many that I have read as you suggest not running it until week 4; most use it weeks 1-4 as a kick-start. But I like it. By waiting until week 4, you wouldn't have to play around so much with an AI. And I especially like the lower dose for a longer duration approach. It seems you would keep more gains that way and not have to worry about the bloat, as you mentioned. As a bonus, so long as one was taking their ancillaries, it appears it would not be as harsh on the liver in smaller doses. Great advice, man!
I love dbol, but only run it 4 weeks max, until the injections kick in. I think amount of bloat is affected by diet.
chiming in as well
i dont get bloat on dbol either.
i've run dbol 50mg's ed and 500mg of test, aromasin as ai - dosed at 12.5mg e3d.
but yeaa everybody's different
the aromasin keeps water retention (bloat) down
I get no bloat at all- but then my diet has no added salt, plenty of fluids, lots of fruit, did eat a lot of takeaways when living in a town centre (3-4 a week) but now all meals are rice/pasta, meat, veg, fish etc... Thought i'd lose weight but it's the opposite. When I used to have a looser diet (and smoke and drink) I did get red-faced, which turned out to be Blood pressure related but not more than 140-85 (usually around 125/70)
I started on Dbol a week ago 30mg daily and Test-cyp 200mg x2 weekly, strength gains really quick but belly now pretty bloated using 0.5 arimidex eod for ai. IF anyone has suggestions for dealing with the bloat please let me know. !
use a ai = minimal bloat if diet is on point. use it without ai and good diet and expect to blow up with water
Thanks for all the help guys!
In terms of "proper" ai, are we talking letro? Or is that overkill?
Arimidex or aromasin. Some folks try nolva on cycle when its best for pct. Letro is you insta estro kill for gyno going bad. Many folks Live dbol. It has its place in cycles. It's great for fast strength gains. If you're a lil high on estro you'll hold a lil water. Too low of estro isn't good either. For me i just went with dbol on lower dose and it worked fine...strong stuff. Just like anything...going very high gets tjose sides going for anyone. Im short and weighed less and Mg was a fine.
thanks mate! I have decided to go for it... 30mg/day for 6 weeks. Going to see how it goes. Looking forward to it haha
Nice dosage level. Easy to adjust from there! Most go 4Weeks but you're on reasonable dose.
it all depends on diet sodium intake and use of ai's etc if all done correctly then you should see clean gains from dbol
For most folks...those precautions reduces the sides.
I don't get it bad. A little water sure, but Test bloats me worse. Even Anavar gives me a little bit of water retention.
If anything, dbol increases vascularity and makes muscles look full , but my face only gets puffy from test
How does vascularity increase if there is more water retention? Not doubting you, just curious. I guess if you do it really cleanly and keep a lot of water off, it would be really apparent
Thanks!
Everyone's different, so true...as long as you take a good AI, it's not that bad. And as was mentioned already, lots of water and low salt...which means you need to pay attention to your sodium intake with EVERYTHING. Bread is a big sodium packer. Honestly, dbol drives my BP thru the roof...that's why I don't like it.
I'm really short...but added quickly on dbol with low doses. I didn't bloat as bad. Other folks switched to Tbol.....takes longer to kick but they liked it. I'm going with prop for quick and drier gains as kicker
why do people think tbol takes longer to kick in as its an oral then surely you should see results roughly same time as dbol etc
Tbol usually is run for Weeks. Where dbol is four typically. It takes longer meaning that if tbol is used for four...your not getting the full results. The full potential. Like Winny maybe run for four to six Weeks as finisher and var needs 6Weeks.
Bite EdgeJust because it's an oral doesn't mean it has the same kick in time.
Not saying it doesn't, I honestly don't know. Just saying that just because something is an oral doesn't mean it takes the same amount of time to kick in.
BostonI say its different for everyone. I bloat like hell from deca, but not from test.
i always got bloated off of dbol, but deca was way worse lol. ime if you take an AI, keep sodium intake low, drink loads of water you will be fine. but if you eat like shit and your estrogen is high then chances are you will get bloated. once you stop the dbol most of the water weight will fall off. but i cant really take dbol, even at 20mgs per day i get stomach problems, but at 30mgs pd its awful, but not that many people react this way.
I tottaly agree with you...Take some erase or another AI and you will piss it out.
No1I dont bloat with dbol, I actually look more hard and solid after a few weeks of dbol