posted Thu, 04/05/2012 - 15:01
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Couple Questions
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My first question:
I'm adding a 25mg ED dose of D-bol to my first cycle for the first four weeks. What I received were 25mg gel caps. What's the best way to break that up into four doses a day? Should I just break open the cap and split the powder into four parts and toss it in some food, shake, just eat it with a chaser? It seems like a bit of a hassle, but I'm wondering what others do or have done.
Next question:
I'll be pinning 500mg EW of Test E for 12 weeks. About how long will my test levels stay elevated after my last injection? Will they stay elevated into PCT or will I be rolling into PCT with rock bottom Test levels?
Thanks in advance!
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Just take it as 1 dose mate, the difference between once a d dosing and the once every few hour dosing isnt noticable.
Test E will start nose diving after 7-9 days at that dose.
Best of luck mate!
Yeah, I've actually been reading that people don't notice any difference in the dosage split. What do you mean by "Test e will start nose diving"? Thanks!
when its level in your blood stream goes down. Thats why we inject it twice weekly
Oh haha, this thread has focused so much on the D-bol, I forgot about my other question haha! I get ya now. Thanks mate!
not a problem brother, have fun!
Thank you sir!
I just answere a question for someone like this the other day. They were asking about nolvadex though. I bet if you go to the ptc forum you will find the post that explains how to evenly distripute a propper dose. But I think you should take al least 50 mg od dbol a day. That's the clinical dosage.
That was my original intention, but I had several people try to talk me out of using D-bol on my first cycle, so I compromised at 25mg haha.
i used about 40mg of d-bol for about 4weeks to kick start my first injection test cycle.
That's what is recommended from what I've read, bust some people don't think you should add other substances to the cycle for your first to see how you react to the test. You're by far not the first to say you ran both your first cycle. I assume you had no complications?
nope none at all
Brotha it not about complications that makes guys suggest not running a second compound to a first cycle. It's about recognition of what causes what.
Ur body is like a race car. U see NASCAR or Indy. Those guys test everything to the max. But each individual thing is tweaked and tested to gauge the effectiveness of that certain component. If u built a race car from scratch without knowing what each component will do would
U ever really know how to tweak things to get the fullest potential out of it? That's y guys say to do one compound at a time bro. Not because guys are gunna drop dead for running Dbol with test on ur first cycle.
If u do a couple different compounds on a first run u may get sides and wonder which compound is causing the side? Should I lower the test or lower the Dbol? Like BP instead of taking BP meds it could be fixed with a simple tweak. Both test and Dbol cause rises in BP. But u may not get a raise in BP from one or the other. Now u will never know Cuz u ran both. If u already had run test by itself it's more likely that u will know what sides u might get. That's all it is brother. U want to run ur body to it's fullest potential so why wouldn't u want to do all of the self observation possible. Lots of guys don't even keep journals. I was guilty of that for a while.
Hope this kind of gives an explanation why guys suggest a test only cycle for a first run. Not cuz of complications.
Respect fellas
GS
I hear you GS. Blood pressure is definitely my biggest concern on cycle. I've read quite a bit that eating a few ounces of dark chocolate a day can dramatically lower high blood pressure, and maintain healthy blood pressure. I fully intend to consume the stuff for sure!
But thanks for the break down. I guess I kind of understand all that. Also, as I understand it, the Test E won't even start working for three to four weeks anyway, so any sides I experience in the four weeks I'm on D-bol should be the D-bol, right? Then I'll have eight weeks of just Test E.
Not necessarily. What doesn't show up for those 3-4 wks is the tangible benefits. U will see some things pop up before others like oily skin. BP. Libido. Those things will happen almost always before u start getting strength and mass gains. I'm super sensitive to BP due to genetic predisposition. So I have to vigorously check my BP from the moment I start my cycle. But each person is unique And their bodies may react much differently than mine. For instance I have never had any signs of gyno ever. But yet I am a bloat machine. It took me a bit to know what I can get away with and what to watch for. I hope that kind of answers ur question.
if u are set on running some Dbol just start at a very modest dose of 20mg a day split. Start checking ur BP about 1-2 hrs after u consume each dose. If ur BP stays kosher than u might be ok to up it. Great thing about Dbol it works great with test. Bad thing about test n Dbol is the rapid water retention and BP spike.
Here's an interesting question: how much do you think my nerves will affect BP? I pinned my first dose of Test this morning, and I was shaking the whole time and for a while after from the adrenaline haha.
My BP still gets elevated immediately after pinning. It's just nerves or awkward body positioning. When I pin glutes I have to really twist up and when I'm done my face is all red and I feel the pressure in my face. I'm wide and have limited range of motion from a previous lumbar injury. So it completely normal. Take ur pressure 1-2 hrs after. It's what I do. I'm at a more calm state. I also will take my BP in the morning and an hour before bed. Not sure if this is the proper times but for me it's more practical since I have the time to do it.
Yeah, thought so. I've already found that once I get my cuff on, I need to sit for a minute even, otherwise my BP is high. If I do another test immediately following, it's always lower. It almost seems like my BP is very erratic.
I'd rep the shit out of this if I could! Great input bro
I purchased an Omron home BP machine and plan to monitor it very closely. BP, like I said, is a big concern for me. I'm not predisposed to it, I just value my kidneys. My natural BP usually rides around 130/70 +/-5.
I purchased a bunch of D-bol, so I think I'm pretty set on putting it in, but definitely like the 20mg ED (I actually have 25mg caps) idea to start. That's pretty much what I've had planned for a while now.
With the water retention, I plan to run Aromasin for OCT. That should control that bloat, correct?
Well u may or may not be prone to bloat. U may get estrogen sides but that may not include bloat. I use aromasin 12.5mg Ed but I'm a walking water bloat nightmare. Anything close to a gram of combined AAS and I can't live without an AI. I get nasty bacne and mood swings along with the moon face. AI keeps all that away for me personally.
I plan to start my AI one week after first injection at 12.5mg EOD. I've never heard of anyone getting moon face from AAS!
It water retention. U see the powerlifters? Their faces all get puffy. Mine gets puffy too. Except when I use an AI:-)
I'll have to start paying attention
Thanks for all the great feedback bro!
That's why I did dbol for a few weeks before my test cycle then added test cyp
You used just D-bol for four weeks before you first injection?
yea
Sorry bro I replied to u but it was more meant for WC:-)
hahaha oops
Yeah, I figured you were going there. I'll take your advice on putting them in the profile. I've done my research, just had a couple last minute questions. I have Aromasin for OCT and Clomid and Nolva for PCT. 14 days is good. Thanks
try and get empty caps from amazon or something so u can open your caps and divide them, or you can pre workout the whole 25mg some guys like that too. And test e life is around 2 weeks wich is why ur pct is 14 days after last pin.And yes i guess u could say ur test levels will be very low hence pct time. good luck bro,
You think just tossing the powder into something is a bad idea? Splitting it up into other caps is plausible, but seems more hassle if I don't really need to.
I'm not really sure how any of that is relevent to my questions, but 33/250/16% and I answered the last question in the text of my questions; 25mg. Thanks.