posted Wed, 02/24/2016 - 10:10
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Blood Thinners and Test E Cycle
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Hi Guys First time poster here,
Background i'm a 42YO guy been going to the gym for around 4-5years now, diets in check and BF% is around 16-17% and im thinking about running my first Test E cycle with Nova PCT at the end
Issue is i went to my doctor and told him about this (I wanted him onboard) and he was, however mentioned a possible issue on taking Test E while on Blood thinners, does anyone else in here take blood-thinners and experience any issues? Or know of any issues i might have?
Sorry should have added i was planning a basic cycle
Week 1-12 Testosterone-Enanthate 500mg per week
Week 13-15 - Off
Week 16-17 Nolvadex 40mg per day
Week 18-19 Nolvadex 20mg per day
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RustyhookerNever on eroids have I read such a reckless, death defying post.
At least you'll be pretty in the coffins
I agree. Been sitting back and watching.....
6ft, 183lbs 17% bf. I think if you really get your diet " in check" you can make it much much further naturally. At least to around 185 at 10-12%. I know it's not as easy being 42 as it is for say a 20 something year old but I would tell them they could hit 200 at that same bf.
Have you had your test levels checked? It's possible you a deficient and just getting them back to a good level could make hitting your goals very easy. A friend on here was put on trr at like 150- 200mgs ew right around your age and he said the results blew his mind.those doses will have most people around 900ish give or take 100 and say naturally you're in the 200s. That jump will make a huge difference and be under docs supervision. Just something to consider.
I agree with you, I am 6' tall, 42 and realistically 15-17% BF, my weight is, drumroll.....232-235..
You haven't mentioned why you are on blood thinners? Angina? High colesterol? Partial blockage at the heart? This is important because I would be very concerned that anabolic androgenic steroids could seriously cause problems for your existing health problem.
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I would think twice about using steroids and taking blood thinners. I dont take blood thinners so im not talking from experience, but you know the affect steriods have on lipid, ldl/hdl ratio. If my doctor said there could be a possible issue, then that would be my deciding factor. Health and safety comes first. The whole thing sounds to risky to me. Just my opinion.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/platelet-increase-from... unlike most would like to have you think blood thinners and gear aren't a good mix.
I am the poster child for imminent death from a dreadful lipid profile and clots. At 38 I already have 8 stents placed in my coronary arteries holding them open. I don't take Warfarin as a thinner but Prasugrel and aspirin. I also take Isosorbide to dilate the coronary arteries. To control cholesterol, I take both Ezetimibe and Rosuvastatin. That combo is strong enough to overcome even the worst effects of just about any steroid including my favorite Trens. Strangely enough I have yet to have an MI nor has any of my cardiac muscle ever been damaged.
Bro, my cardiologist is not happy that I am a juice monster but has been an absolute champ in keeping that information out of my medical files and away from the eyes of my insurance company. (He wants to get paid I guess LOL). We do PET scans every year. The last one was positive but not bad enough in his eyes to send me back to the cath lab for yet more metal gauze tubes in my heart. In almost 15 years of AAS use, I do not have any left ventricular hypertrophy, leaky valves, backwash or any other dreadful complication associated with steroid use and being a big mass monster.
After all that, bro, from me to you, don't worry yourself about a little Test E with your thinners. LMAO. IMHO of course that is.
This is the most intense post I've read here! And I read alot...
Thanks bro. I just decided I wanted to be 100% honest about something. No embellishments just the plain and complete truth.
The truth can sometimes be more shocking than any fiction.
Honestly, I don't think you have a realistic view of you health but that's just my opinon ...
I do think that it is grossly negligent for you to say that it is ok for him to run juice while on blood thinners when you have absolutely NO idea what his personal health issues are regarding the use of the blood thinners.. and to make light of it is also not very cool at all.
How would you feel if this dude followed your medical advice and died because YOU told him it was ok ??? SMH
As far as my ticker is concerned, the repair job was done at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore where they were able to restore 98% of the circulation. Lesser hospitals and doctors were talking transplants and other unappealing options, even the best cardiologists in New York City felt that the my condition was not treatable which is where I am originally from. When I asked the surgeon at Hopkins for a prognosis, he said dryly, "Gearhead, you can climb Mt. Everest for all I care." I am blessed that I have access to that standard of care. Most folk, unfortunately, do not.
you are correct most people are not blessed with that kind of health care access
The OP's question was directed at those of us that run blood thinners while taking steroids to ask us if we had any issues. I answered his question. I have not had any issues that have arisen from the combination of blood thinners and steroids. Plain and simple. Others in the community may respond that indeed they have had problems. That's the back and forth the OP wants.
he did ask for experiences however your 'light' recomendation is irresponsible as you do not know if he is going to be OK ...
Ya, OK. I could have left the last sentence of my response out and made my point just as well. I agree. It is just an opinion I have as a lay person not as a medical professional that does arise out of my own experience. But, as you say, it disregards what may be a danger to the OP even though it doesn't affect me that way.
In comparison to what I have been through, however, ma'am with cardiac problems, I view the OP as worrying about a hangnail. Really I do.
Well, maybe if the op discloses he's got stents and filter ... from my point of view, having a family member die from a blood clot, while on blood thinners ... well, that sir is a hell of a hang nail ....
I suspected that this was hitting close to home for you somehow. Thanks for bringing it out. Terminal clotting while on thinners you would think is a somewhat rare occurrence but I would have no way of knowing. I mean one of the strategies in using thinners is to insure against clots.
No, that is not a hang nail. I don't intentionally make light of any medical issue to the possible detriment of the reader but I have seen a lot of weird ideas in our forums here that have been taken to heart such as the idea that you will die using insulin in bodybuilding. We both know that isn't true. There's a lot of stuff like that in our archives - people with no personal experience jumping to conclusions. Ludicrous write ups on the perils of Trenbolone making it seem like a poison and etc. and so forth . . .
anything used improperly can take you down the path of a dirt nap.... even aspirin .. I ve seen good people abuse both of those substances mostly out of ignorance and end up in the intensive care unit ... no, they didn't die but they came mighty close ..... the majority of people don't know enough about themselves and they way they function and they want to use things that can and will cause problems used in a half assed manner... I know you read through the forums and cycles ... you really think guys who can't put together a decent cycle much less use food to gain weight really know how to take care of themselves and do what is right and proper using advanced compounds?
No argument from me.
I think I have just been very busy lately and not around so much and latched onto a thread that asked more than "How do I do my first Test cycle?"
It is strange that we have advanced cycle groups that are practically devoid of activity and some fairly sophisticated stuff keeps surfacing again and again in the forums only and sometimes in the cycle logs where we attempt to avoid giving beginners ideas and support on using compounds they are not ready for.
And I don't pretend to have the answer to the age old question in this community - if you see someone struggling to stack together a bunch of drugs they clearly don't need given their cycle history, current physique etc. - what is the best course of action? If you personally know how the drugs get used from your own experience do you correct the OP? Do you chastise him, chase him off and let him get the wrong and perhaps life threatening answer from somewhere else on the net not here? Absolving this community from responsibility?
Maybe the question has never been really answered because there just is no "right" answer. I'm beginning to think that's the reality.
you are asking the age old question particularly as this forum has grown, there is that slippery slope of at what point do you cut people off?
running high levels of androgens will increase clotting factors ...... if your doctor doesn't know this then I d be scared ... I assume you have some type of condition that requires anti coagulants ...
you need to re look up PCT protocols yours is missing clomid
what does diet in check mean?
Thanks for the reply, Would stay on thinners mitigate this?
I'm currently Protein S blood deficient and because i had a DVT when i was 20 and a few other superficial clots since they recommended me on it for life
I updated the original post, i thought it was okay without Clomid?
no it isn't, clomid is what restarts your natty test production
Steroids often mess your lipid profile. Your bad cholesterol goes up and good goes down. You can pretty much control it with your diet, fluid intake etc. But caution is always required. It will depend on your medical profile and meds you are taking. I know that people on Coumadin have to be careful as the inr value can change quickly. Props on having a doctor on board and I would keep it this way. Definitely if you have some health issues. You can see endo. He might know more about drug interactions and safety. I'm sure many trt candidates that take blood thinners are evaluated by them.
Thanks, Im currently on Xarelto's Rivaroxaban and rather than seeing a Endo was planning on Seeing a Hematology doc, thinking they might know more?
trt candidates would only be approved for therapuetic doses of test while on blood thinners anything else increases clotting agents
Is winny considered a blood thinner
?? it is an anabolic steroid....
I am running Test, Bolde and Tren atm. I am using 100mg ASA ed to prevent heart attack and stroke. Reason: RBC and Hematocrit might increase significantly while on gear.
I'm getting my levels checked frequently by my doc.