Average test levels on Test Prop?
Currently on the 5th week of a cycle of 75mg of Test Prop ED, 25mg Dbol twice a day, and 12.5mg Aromasin twice a day. Stopped taking the Dbol last Friday (4 weeks on this dose)
I was just curious what the average test serum levels should be for someone pinning 50-100mg of test prop ED? Just got the mid-cycle bloodwork back, and test serum level was at 1758 ng/DL which I would imagine is pretty low for 75mg test prop ED. Could this be due to stopping Dbol dosage last Friday? Do the newly available receptors that the Dbol was binding with prior take a week or two for the test prop to bind with (Therefore eventually increasing test serum levels, maybe)?
Get little to no bad side effects from test other than standard estrogen conversion levels increasing (Currently sitting at 20pg/ML running my AI), so not too worried about increasing the test prop to 100mg ED if needed. Just wanted to get some opinions before upping the dose.
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On 100 mg eod test prop my levels came back at 3k. The prop that was used though was known for being slightly overdosed, but it was PIP free still. I would say 1700 for that dosage is low.
Cool, that's good to know, and see some more bloodwork to confirm what I thought. I'm going to read a bit more, and then maybe increase to 100mg ED with bloodwork 2 weeks out just to confirm that desired results are being achieved.
What were you at before you started?
75mg ed is a lot of test imo and not needed.
depending on cycle history and goals 50 or 75 eod is fine.
You should educate yourself on half life and saturation levels.
Pre-cycle bloodwork total test was at 373.
50-75mg EOD sounds pretty low for a prop cycle from most of the cycles and research that I have read about. 100mg EOD seems to be the standard for cycles that follow an EOD pinning routine. Also, I'm not really sure where your comment about half life and saturation levels came from. Everything thing I've read suggests that it's best to pin prop ED if possible, and only pinning EOD if ED wasn't a possibility.
Sure, prop has a half-life of 4.5 days, but you're not taking into consideration the hormone release rate of exogenous test. By extending your pinning to EOD, you're putting your trough state much lower than it needs to be, which is no bueno as far as I'm concerned. This is also becomes a bigger deal depending on the time of day you pin. If you don't agree, that's cool, but feel free to play around with the numbers on this site, and you will be able to visually see what I'm talking about: http://steroidplot.com/
The hormone peaks and valleys will be more extreme pinning EOD vs. ED, and as far as I've read and personally experienced, the name of the game is keeping everything as stable as possible. Hence why my Aromasin dosing is the way it is now after learning valuable lessons last cycle. I don't see a reason NOT to pin prop ED if you don't mind it, and have the time to do it.
You also brought up saturation levels, and didn't really say much else (Or why you even made the half-life remark, either). Now I'm going to go out on a limb, and assume you're talking about androgen receptor saturation. From everything I've read, people are on both sides of the fence when it comes to the debate about whether androgen receptors actually increase or if they become saturated with extra exogenous test just floating around. As far as I'm aware, there is no medical research proving one side or the other, just logical points of views. If I'm wrong, I would definitely be interested in reading the research paper, and learning more.
Just a friendly reminder though, I'm not asking for cycle advise. I've done lots of research, and have lots more to learn about. That's why I'm asking about my original question, which was what the average total test serum would normally look like for a cycle of 50-100mg of test prop ED.
Rustyhooker50-100ed......smh. Wow.....
Mind putting some substance behind your reply? I'm not sure if you think that is too wide of a range to ask for or if there is some other hidden meaning behind your comment.
In case of the former, I'm asking for a wide range because it is useful information that I don't currently know for future cycle bloodwork.
RustyhookerRoidcalc. There's many on internet. 100 eod by weight is 500 enanthate per week. Blood though can vary by person and quality.
X2...everybody is different....the best representative sample for statistics would be 100 AAS users administering TP only. OP will see then that the question's answer varies by subject involved.
RustyhookerGo research fluctuations. Common sence....
What? I didn't say I was taking 50-100mg ED. I am taking 75mg ED. I was just curious to see what average total test serum #s were like for common Test Prop cycles.
ie; 50mg ED test prop seems to be a common cycle, as well as 100mg ED. These numbers would be useful information to have.
go to blue magnifying glass at top left of screen, type in- cryhavoc- click on his profile and read his forum posts, he is a genius at this kind of stuff and i think he has forums posted with graphs and numbers.
Awesome, will do. Thanks for the tip!