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Hello I'm trying to get a little in shape, I've researched some steroids bcuz I'm looking for something mild. I use to take spawn it worked out for me but since then they stop selling it. I came across some info about ANAVAR and I think I would be interested in it, only problem is every site I go to seems shady i sent money to one of the sites and hopefully I don't get burned!!! If anyone can help me out with a reliable place to get ANAVAR it would be greatly appreciated!!

aronl's picture

Viking and Nitti-
Again I respect everything you both said, I read alot of your posts and concede you both far outmatch me in knowledge and experience with this stuff. I briefly experimented in the 90's then there werent AI's or nolva that I knew of and I got jacked but the sides were too hard for me so i stopped and only recently with frustrating plateaus thought to try again. Probably yeah- test is the superior foundation to maximize AAS cycle gain. With any supp- there will be a tradeoff of benefit-sides. I think its unrealistic to expect like you say Nitti that following protocols to a t that you wont ever have nuisance or even occasional debilitating side effects of these drugs. For me modest gain with low/no side profile was the priority. I have no fear of needles but I cannot function professionally hobbling peg-leg or deal with a butt abscess from popping in god knows what. The added variable of your oils or your PCT being fake or misdosed is real. And you can shut down on anything when taking too much too long or not recovering right. Thats not just a problem with orals. Yes, HRT has been given for 20+ years- Im not sure what your point is- Nitti. Weight is relative when your swinging water gains and losses. Im not adverse to Test or implying you all are wrong to advocate it. For me a mild oral met my needs for now. The puffed up water marshmallow dudes I see obviously on the stronger stuff than me look ridiculous. Im as unsure about my ability in using test correctly for when I may try. I'm happy to update in a month and if I crash I'll surely admit it.

eastcoastmuscle's picture

while yes, there are fake products out there, the majority of us have no problems finding and running real products and its fairly obvious when they are not real

Nitti's picture

So what is it exactly you want to achieve. I'm not being condescending here. I'm trying to understand your perspective. I doubt it will change my mind but I'm willing to hear you out. I used the trt reference to better explain my point of using testosterone over an oral.

aronl's picture

To increase strength/ improve workouts; to perform in the few sports I do time to time, maximize what athletic shelf life I have left before im completely an old man. I primarily lift, run some, mix some Muay thai. In all train avg 5 days/week. Its really only what I look forward to in a day. Pushing the weights, adding more, feeling the pain and pump is an addiction. I dont care about libido or impressing anyone. Im older and I was stuck. Not gaining. Longer and longer recovery. I know how to eat and train- done it all my life. But im not tolerant for sides. I cant get sick for the work I do. You could make the case not to use AAS and you'd likely be right, or that Test would push me even better. Honestly I feel 10 years younger with the var and increased 15-20% most my sets and Im happy with that. I realize there will be some loss and aging relapse off cycle but I kept gains from stuff when younger being very committed.

Nitti's picture

Ok. Well you sound happy! Good luck to you. And yes, just to validate what I'm saying so that some 20 year old doesn't think this sounds good, please report back post cycle.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Would you believe it!.... i really really thought we had enough forum topics and posts to create enough reading for a good six months straight to dissuade any wannabee AAS user from doing ANY oral only cycle... **BUT LOOKY HERE!*** we have another bro who wants to shut down his natty test production,shrink his nutz, then slip into a 3/4 month depression watching the 3lbs he gained on cycle all go down the crapper when his orals run out!

Im not even gonna ask for stats here cos the only advice i will be giving is to tell you to READ the forums then READ somemore till your eyes bleed!.. this my friend is THE BEST advice you could EVER get regarding your upcoming plans.

Say after me... WE MUST USE A TEST BASE ON EACH AND EVERY CYCLE......... PERIOD.

aronl's picture

I really respect your knowledge and experience but not everyones' goals are the same to be Ronnie Coleman. There are different applications for the many PED's around that the individual can tailor to their personal needs. Stanozolol for example is the drug of choice for many competitive athletes to enhance strength, speed, and endurance without added excessive bulk. T-bol was the staple of the East Germans winning gold medals thru the 60's and 70's. For others, the sides effects profile of the test-based cycles are not tolerable/worth the benefits. Myself for example, I cant have drenching sweat spots in my armpits, acne and added irritability for an already high stressful job or I might choke someone. Plus with often a 12 hour day I couldnt eat 7-8 times if I wanted to keep up with that kind of cycle. Some products are more gentle or harsh on the liver, BP, lipid profile, etc so the personal health profile and age weighs in. And gains from the mild orals are modest but often better retained than many of your high octane injectables.

Im tapering down from using Var only and Im very happy with what Ive gotten from it. I'll follow it with a little clomid and see what I keep. I might work in some test or other stuff down the road. But I think a blanket one plan fits everyone statement is myopic in my opinion.

Nitti's picture

Well you couldn't be anymore wrong. Regardless of goals, if you are going to do this right then using an oral only (even one as mild as var) is not the way to go. The whole thing about sweating and acne, irritability etc, is a BS excuse bro. Sorry but if you are using an aromatize inhibitor the way you're supposed to with a test cycle then you WON'T have these problems at all. In fact, when administered in the correct intervals depending on ester, and using an AI at the appropriate dose, side effects will be non existent. I know all about cycling incorrectly. NOBODY was as misguided as I was. I was a kid following instruction. I had no idea what I was doing and neither did the person coaching me. But my goals were not to be Ronnie Coleman. They were to be more aggressive in my training while maintaining weight and getting stronger. Guess what I did? I shut down my natty production pretty damn hard. Lucky for me I was able to bounce back. I was young. But the entire point of this is Viking is 100% correct. Regardless of your goals, using an oral only is going to accomplish nothing. You may get some positive side effects. But I'd like to talk to you about 2 weeks after the cycle and see how you're doing. In fact, your negative sides will be increased as well. You're talking about acne and irritability. Blood pressure and sweating. You think that testosterone is the only thing that will cause this? You're way off base here and it sounds like you don't want to pin. If you were really concerned with your lipid profile then you would use testosterone with an aromatize inhibitor. You can't tell me that it is unhealthy to do so. There is a growing industry centered around the use of testosterone to bring men and women back to healthy lifestyles. They're called anti aging clinics. My wife works for an ob/gyn. They are even giving women testosterone/estrogen pellet implants for menopausal symptoms. Brining their bloods back to healthy levels. Making them feel young again. Healthy again. Motivated. Etc. This seems to be what you're going for. But you choose anavar only? That is not wise and unfortunately you're going to learn the hard way. That "mild oral" is not for grown men who are trying to live a healthier lifestyle. It's for boys who aren't reachin puberty on time and a temporary solution to kick start it for them. The only anabolic drug given for what you are looking for is Testosterone (hgh aside). This is just my $0.02.

Catalyst's picture

You've shut down your natural test by running anavar only, for potentially not a lot of progress. Without a test base your libido may get hit, and your much less likely to keep any significant percentage of your gains. You've also got a potentially messy recovery with your insufficient pct protocol you've detailed.

Viking isn't giving you a generalised one size fits all bro science line here. There's a lot of experienced guys that have run stupid cycles in the past, (including me!), that you guys can hopefully avoid the same mistakes. There's youngsters on this forum we don't want picking up on bad use of AAS, which is what an oral only cycle is in our experience.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

So you disagree that an exogenous test source is in order as a base to steroid cycles right!... you can answer yes/no its your choice i certainly aint going to engage into an argument with you here with something that is the rule in the world of AAS.

But i think a blanket one plan fits everyone statement is myopic in my opinion.

Well my man!.. its looking like you have never read much of my stuff on eroids, i am the man that preachs for custom cycles and PCT protocols, always shunning the "one size fits all syndrome"..... to conclude here, i dont think many eroiders will be coming to you for anavar cycle advice without a test base, that my man is a BIG NO! NO! around here.

skarates's picture

But why use AAS if your goal is to just get into shape? I was in shape long before I ever considered using AAS

aronl's picture

I agree it shouldnt be used for that as casually as the OP sounds like as for a general fitness short cut or something. For the mature and committed amateur athlete who has maxed their potential naturally and wants more- its up to them if they're ready. Im just saying not everyones' objectives are the same. For me its progress in my training/workouts. I dont care what i weigh or what any people think about what i look like.

skarates's picture

Is progress in your training/workouts your only measure of how well the anavar has worked for you? You say weight isn't important or appearance? I myself check my weight on a regular basis and also take measurements of my muscles. This is how I myself keep track of my progress.

GRIMEY's picture

well your profile says your bodyfat% is "a lot" so I may as well tell you that no steroid is going to magically get rid of that bodyfat, diet and cardio will. Sounds like you need to focus on nitrition and do a bunh of research before touchig aas, and running anavar without test would be a bad idea.

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MuayThaiGuasian's picture

LOL anavar is not for those who want to "get in a little shape".

Join Planet Fitness and take muscle tech supplements to "get in a little shape"

Woods81's picture

Ok

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