+ 3 Am I running the right compounds?
So something I see time to time, is people running compounds that do not aromatize. Leading to a crashed E2. Estrogen is important for muscle development. Not to mention the heart, tendons, ligaments, the brain. There was a study on cattle with tren only, and tren with estrodial. The cattle with the estrogen had significantly higher increase in muscle mass increase. Then there are those who run one compound at excessive dosages. Or two or three compounds fighting for the same receptor. This is why we research our compounds and what pathways and receptors are being antagonized. Also what are the metabolites of the compound and how does your body react to each one because we are all different. Eq is known to reduce e2 due to some metabolites. Some people produce these metabolites more than others. So we must have a compound that aromatizes to maintain our estrogen, then ideally (more advanced) we want to antagonize different receptors at the lowest effective dose to reduce sides, and maintain stability. Just some things to consider when you put your next cycle together
Edit: Also compounds that stimulate the CNS are not ideal for bulking. Increase anxiety, less sleep, decreased appetite. Stay strong friends
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I strongly agree with this post, especially the second part. (compounds that stimulate CNS not being ideal for muscle building).
I see far too many people using Trenbolone as a part of a bulking cycle and I believe it's completely unnecessary.
Basic old-school bulking stacks are the best for growth. Compounds such as: Test/Deca/Dbol/Anadrol/Sustanon (Not all at once obviously).
Adding Trenbolone into a Test, Deca, Dbol cycle makes a Huge difference though in terms of actual solid muscle and strength added, nothing else brings to the table what it is capable of. Sure a lot of people don't always require it but its where the rapid growth and recovery is brought into play.
Fuck yeah it's pr time every day
AnonOr npp into a test tren adrol mast blast
Bigboi50281I personally feel i lost good amount of gains because of.my estrogen being too low everyones afraid of the gyno but like alot of.people said before me estrogen is important and 2 low estrogen is a problem. My quick ? 4 you guys i have genetic low thyroid im.on 75mgs synthroid a day i ordered t3 for.the first time ever it comes in 25 mg per tab should i.continue with the synthroid or 25-50mcg of t3 should raise it.and how long do you take t3 for i always did clen weeks.on 2 weeks off is t3 different thanks fellas.
First thing t3 and clen, imho should only be used for show or pros(maybe not really even then). This is not a safe way to lose weight or AMP your metabolism.
Second, if your already on synthroid why would you want to fuck with t3? I'm assuming your tsh, t3, t4 etc are already dialed in with the 75mg of synthroid. Do you currently know what your current t3 and reverse t3 levels are? If you have a t3 problem talk to your dr.
Just my 2 cents.
Yes estrogen is very important. Finding ur sweet spot during a bulk or cut can be very tricky. And that's why we run a testosterone based steroid for a foundation of our cycles.
:::::"So something I see time to time, is people running compounds that do not aromatize. Leading to a crashed E2." ::::
Are u talking about people running these compounds alone, like a dht or even a nor 19? From what I understand is that all strtoids still have an aromatizing effect, measured lower to higher. Sorry if I'm off, I'm just trying to understand more.
AnonWell yes, most steroids have an aromatizing effect, some simply reduce the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen, and some aromatize themselves INTO estrogen.
Reducing aromatization is an effect id say I guess.
But I think what you mean is
"don't all steroids turn into estrogen to some extent"
The answer would be no..
Many steroids don't aromatize but can still stimulate estrogen receptors leading to gyno. That's why anadrol and superdrol are tricky bastards and require a serm in order to stop the titty tickling and nip itching. No one wants bitch tits.
Hell, look at masteron, it was designed as a breast cancer drug, it specifically was meant to prevent aromatization. It doesn't aromatize into estrogen, quite the opposite.
I hear ya on that.. thats why we run some of these steroids as supporters and not the priority compound..
But as far as a steriod crashing ur e2??
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/equipoise-eq-...
If you read enough shit, you'll find personal stories like this one. Equipoise, primo and masteron come up from time to time. I dont understand the chemistry behind it, but peoples bloodwork show some crazy shit.
Molinin302+1, and exactly why I run masteron the way do. Never gone high on it, it's anabolic effect is minimal, but there's something about its receptor blocking as opposed to the inhibitors. Still have the estro in your blood, and just get that noticeable hardness. Great compound, but in my opinion better for getting the most out of your testosterone base.
Damn.. I would have never thought eq cld crash ur e2 like that. Especially having test stacked with it.. Thank all of yall, very enlightening!
AnonHere ya go
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/equipoise-eq-...
Giardap had a few posts on it as well I think?
Molinin302I'm responding in general, Press, some OG Bubba kush, but I had a BP spike today, just need to relax. Not drug related, just happens with my hypertension.
Ok..., my guy, as best as I can lay this out, and I'm your equal on here, your info is considered as valuable as mine,
There's aromatise inhibitors and estrogen blockers. Completely different MOA and side effects because of.
Comparing non human studies of animal toxicity and effects on humans are rarely accurate. Done mostly to pass drugs for human consumption. Thalidomide was FDA approved but everyone forgot about that.
Two or three compounds fighting for the same receptor? Same receptor or multiple receptors response with bodily function either working cohesive or against? Tylenol and alcohol, opiods and benzodiazapines.
Just not a good read buddy, absolutely zero disrespect here, just looking out. I could go further but no. FR sent.
Tren is a hell of a drug am I right Rusty?
Molinin302I just KNOW I wouldn't do to well with that compound, I could see bad things happening lol
Regardless if it is, studies are done prior on animals. I was simply stating. Estrogen is Still essential. But feel free to elaborate on whatever part you dont agree on or feel is wrong. You have about everything else anyway. You are correct many aspects and variables are factored in. I just think you came about it wrong but im good have a good one
I thinks it's all good, Molin is a solid guy for sure. You are correct, everyone is different and people react differently to different things. Multiple variables in any test or function makes it really hard to pin point 100% accuracy.
That felt like frank the tank debating james carvel on old school.
Molinin302Felt like it. And frankly I don't like it, I like the guy. It just needs adjustment. He's on the right track.
I sometime feel your pain and I love you brother.
Molinin302Wasn't hoping for this much response, SL is cool in my book. There's just some holes in this as far as how things work. We give advice here, and I'm a gentleman, I'd just say rewrite it. Maybe I'm wrong and could, maybe should pick this apart piece by piece? No. We're a community here, always welcoming good input. This isn't good.
AnonOk I'll bite, name one sentence in his post thats incorrect...
I'm so confused.. He's talking about estrogens multifaceted relationship with our health.
He mentioned EQ being metabolized in part into an AI, I can't remember what it's called but it's not incorrect..
He never mentioned SERMS right?
The majority of the studies we have on the majority of the compounds we run involve animal studies, they're excellent analogs for humans, that's why we test drugs besides steroids on them.
I think his initial point was people running compounds that don't aromatize and then consequentially not having a sufficient level of estrogen to facilitate muscle gain, as well as maintain overall health.
Sorry you dont think it’s good
Molinin302Just touch it up bro, know what? Leave this thread up. Retype a new one with some tweaking. See what happens, best wishes bro. I sent you a FR.
You are going to have to share then pal because I'm failing to see what he's said wrong here?
Molinin302Bro you're a pretty solid guy, I don't know if things were lost in translation or what. But I'd take this down if I were you. Before you get blasted. Peace bro, just looking out. . .
How come bro?
I'm thinking it's a compliment! Molin did have some problems with an eq run in the past. Or not?? Lol
Molinin302Yes, and was warned by Press not to run it given my background. I was hard-headed and didn't listen. The BP issues set me back months. I didn't take solid advice and suffered for it. Never again.
I remember it well!
Due to increased hematocrit and the ester on eq is awful. But the short ester from what I heard is pip nightmare. I used once to increase appetite but I wont run eq again. But I don’t understand how I would get blasted for that?
Thats to do with BP problems though Bud - he's talking about estrogen and why its important to have it. I totally agree with him - its extremely important for muscle and strength development.
Molinin302Agreed 100%. There's great points here, all I'm saying is rephrase some things. Take a few things out, not horrible, but needs improvement. I'm betting he can make it right.
Thank you. Yes I don’t advocate eq, much better compounds imo but everyone is different of course
I keep rereading trying to figure out which part. But I could have worded better perhaps lol
I'm thinking its too much grass tonight Lol ....
Molinin302Definitely more relaxed lol. SL is cool, it's a good thread.
I didnt want to say it, but I was thinking the same thing. It's all good
Haha I’d be ordering pizza
AnonWait, which parts? Or are you thinking it's a "copy/paste" deal?
No copy paste just stuff ive learned along the way. Always trying to learn. If something is wrong I dont wanna give bad info either you know
Why Bud - whats wrong with it?
Wondering the same thing ...