posted Fri, 07/05/2013 - 20:27
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A question about Equipose (Boldenone Undecylenate)
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I want to know more about this compound. I dont intend on using it anytime soon.
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What's the correct dosage for this? Does it change when you mix other compounds such as test? Can you use it just by itself?
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Any sides I should be aware of?
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What are the benefits?
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Can an endurance athlete take this with out any fear of a drug test?
I'm interested in its endurance boosting capabilities. And From what I have read "steroid aromatizes very little, and therefore produces almost no estrogenic side effects such as water retention or "gyno"". Any help you can offer would be awesome.
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AnonI did just didnt write cuz i wasnt worth it
I just did Brother.... Lol... Cheers
AnonOk i give up but for me last time ill waste my money on that my next cycle is NPP/Test and Dbol and course parmi Ai
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post a forum topic!!! start your own thread mate!!!! everyone can then chime in and we can get a debate going!!!!! go to anabolic steroids- post forum topic, and let the fun begin bro!!! waiting!
actually mate, im interested to hear more on this!! why don't you start a forum post?? would be good to get opinions and a debate going!!!!
lol den da den den lol cant wait for the replies to this!!! hahaha, eq is great mate, people who say these kind of things didn't run it for long enough and not at a high enough dose!!!! eq is gtg
AnonYea i understand the vascular thing ur talkin about but that only the increased blood pressure in ur veins due to the oil ur injecting that maybe 1000-1200mg a week once i got off all vascualrity went away
Ok time to bring the heavy artillery pubmed time gime a sec
to be honest, I only run it at 600 a week same with the deca, and 1200 test e, its not blood pressure it increases your red blood cells dramatically just like anadrol does!! that's why people have to give blood!! the main thing a bout eq is the massive increase in appetite!!!!
Thats correct. Some guys dont get the appetite. Man , but i sure as shit do. I love it! Eating 7 to 8 meals a day is never easier then when your running EQ
tell me about it bro!!! I eat a huge dinner, then about half hour later am hungry again!!! im on a dirty bulk, so I eat a lot chicken with rice and pasta, or beef with mashed potatoes, and I mean massive meals like overflowing the plate, I have no problems eating two dinners within an hour!!!! eq is great
AnonYea but go look at the pubmed experiment the numbers dont lie
Run EQ alone and tell me how it went
In my books why use gear that hav lo anabolic rating EQ supposly has a anabolic rating of 100 like test but yet it doesnt do that when u take it.
NPP Deca wins over EQ
well if you run it alone without test that's the problem!!! and yes deca of course wins!! it also shuts you down hard!! personally I enjoy stacking the eq with deca!! with test, the beauty of that is that the eq keeps you rock hard while the deca still blows you up without the water/bloat!!! my veins are thick and huge, ive never been so vascular mate, and that's from the eq!!!!
I personally wouldnt use it without some testosterone and I think the two stack very nicely together.
Wow. This escalated quickly. Seriously thank you for all information. shirlsguy, hyphy_beast, readytokillit, juice12345678, biggerthanyou, skywalker, warmachine.
No problem brother. Thats what this place is all about. Wrong or right sharing information is always a positive thing
If you are going to get tested any time soon, don't run eq. It increases rbcs and is fantastic for endurance tho. I'm currently running test e at 600, deca at 300, and eq at 800. I'm LOVING this cycle and honestly don't think I'll cycle again without eq. I'm carrying very little water, even with the deca, I'm strong as an ox, more vascular than ever, and really happy with my results only half way through my cycle.
What are your stats and cycle history? You would always need a test base.
shirlsguyI have two questions to you beast: Say I run the deca at 900, would 800 on the Eq still be good? That number seems to be my assumed target for the Eq... it is stable amongst those I read who hit hard.
Second, does the 2:1 test/deca ratio go that high? I mean you have 600/300 on your test/deca... would that mean 1800/900? or, is there a ceiling... I mean once you hit a gram of test weekly (having never gone that high dose of test before) would it not seem like a ceiling? Maybe climb gradually? Or would you think just get it up to 1800 for the whole cycle? You can pm me if you want to keep it a bit more private... I will make sure the FR is there.
Holy smokes Batman! Those are high doses! Personally I like my test to nandrolone 2:1, or atleast 3:2 because I like how I feel at that rate. Without a decent amount of quality caber 19 nors like deca and npp really suppress my libido and give me a general dragging ass feeling. I just kept deca at 300 this cycle because I wanted to stay as dry as I could while still reaping some strength and joint lubrication benefits. Personally 1800 test and 900 deca seems to me like doses which should be left to the pros. But then again you never really gave your stats or cycle history so I guess you could be one...
Anyway, I don't see why 1000 test, 600 deca, and 800eq wouldn't be an excellent bulking option if you wanted to have pretty large doses. Just remember chances of sides will be fairly high. Make sure you have real legit caber, adex, and letro just to be safe.
Oh and you were talking about kickstarting, can you imagine how much oil you would be pinning at the doses you were talking about? I hope you are experienced at rotating about 8 or more different injection sites...
Fr accepted, pm me.
shirlsguyI think this thread should have note that (and why) I decided against the double dose front load on the EQ.
I guess (1) The numbers indicate a more advanced cycle, and if I don't have time to see it on normal loading, then I don't belong doing it. If it were more reasonable, like the others mentioned, then perhaps the front load would be a good thing, but hyphy_beast is right... that's just a load of oil and long esters too. I think for me, if I can't see it on its planned action, then I don't deserve it. (2) I am not suffering appetite loss at this time, and by the book, I have 2-3 weeks before the deca really hits. Patience is what keeps us safer. My goals and plans are radical enough without adding impatience to the plan. As I said, if my amounts were smaller, then doubling up - no problem, but I am pretty much planning the ceiling already, and to double on that.... well, I think it is not for me. I love front-loading, but not at that level. (3) There are 'non-publicly' disclosed factors (like there always are) in this, but adding more gear than what is planned would not be cool at all, in my opinion.
Well, decision time is over, starting the EQ today. I 'will' double that first injection and then normal W/F. I think 800mg/week is the answer I believe in from all my reading and posting. Watch for the pics!
Thanks to everyone for the input, will see how many +1's I can pass around.
juice12345678Dude....
You don't need an exact 2:1 ratio for Test. Deca.
Example:
300 Deca / 500 Test
I've run 1000 Deca / 1250 Test and felt great
(I handle it well though)
So you'll have to find your sweet spot....
DON'T start at hight numbers....climb gradually
shirlsguyarrrrrr... compelling here too. I have committed to decide on the EQ by tomoz, but adding it in makes the Deca/Test decision difficult. What do you think about my deca -v- NPP below.... 900 deca and 600 NPP being about the same taking into account ester weight (very roughly)? I've front loaded the NPP at 400 (edited typo) with d-bol (started 60ed and up to 105 ed). Three weeks on the deca, I have already worked myself to the 900 (again on the ester theory) and need to get this EQ running if it stands a chance of kicking in any time near the deca.
I am very glad to get another confirmation that on the test, 'enough' is 'enough' at some level.
Double frontload your EQ. I'm on week 3 test/EQ/Dbol. I did a double frontload of 2.5x my weekly dose the Dbol killed my appetite now in week 3 it's picked back up and I can't stop eating. I was thinking it would be another month til I felt it, but the EQ is definitely coming on.
900 is way too much for deca, I'd go 600 deca 900 EQ 1200 test. but 1800 test and 900 deca is too much
shirlsguyThat is my thinking.. the more I study, I just don't find very many rational people at that number. Then again, taking in ester weights.... 900 deca is about the same as 600 NPP (very rough estimating) so I wonder if perhaps it would work? It is more the 1800 test that get me thinking. I am very close to making a decision on just what you have listed above, with 250 of the test being a 12-week front load of test undec (nebito) and the gram of sust or test-e (as stock holds up probably 250 test-e and 750 sust).
The more I think on this, the more I think this is a winner. Your build is a convincing aspect to the advice.
Hey bros, I posted up here so I didn't get lost in the shuffle. From my understanding the reason that you are still detectable for so long is the metabolites from your body processing the hormone. My assumption would be that a particular compound will produce metabolites for an amount of time based off of ester length. If you take deca vs NPP, you have nandrolone staying in your system 3 weeks vs. 3-4 days. That extra time nandrolone is in your body (typically at higher concentrations due to long ester) the more metabolites are in your body. Depending on what the metabolites are, they could be stored in various bodily systems, and not pass through for several months. So, in my understanding its actually both compound and ester length that determine detection times. This is how it was explained to me. I have no citations, so I very we'll might be wrong, but I know I'm on the right path here.
shirlsguyEster really only plays a role for about one month tops, then it is hormone specific. That is to say that basically the ester is like a taxi that keeps a compound riding around for a longer period of time. TNE is a good example, w/o the ester it is in, out and gone. Now, take Tren Base.... in out and gone... but drug tests will catch the Tren longer than the Test.
Now, add Propionate ester and the Test lasts about three days longer, add Acetate and the Tren lasts about a week longer, but that is only because atoms (carbon, I think I recall) http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/steroid-esters-expla... are attached to the hormone that allow them to pass through the system without being metabolized. The more carbon atoms you attach, the more passes the hormone makes through the system before being metabolized, thus a hormone that would normally last about eight hours in the body can now last weeks, even a month.
Really, the ester just allows us to pin less frequently and have more stable hormone levels... though ed pinning is the best ride around.
So, with decanoate (where deca gets it's name from) is only about a one month ride... and out of the 18-month hormone detectability of Nandrolone Decanoate (or whatever is accepted as truth) only one month of that is due to the ester.
Thus, "ester" can really only add about one month to the detectability of the hormone. So, for Test, yes, ester makes a load of difference in detectability. For Nandrolone, ester is really quite insignificant.
From there, it is a matter of what analysis is run and that depends on level of competition. i.e. they may take blood, urine, hair... and I believe Olympics can even go to the molecular level like DNA.
So, really, everyone is right.
NOW... I really would love to hear from the people who take Equipose, because I have 3 x 10ml 200mg/ml that I want to run, but I don't have a clue if it is the right mix with Deca/Test.
Awesome sauce. +1
Thanks for this. +1. I have a workout bro that took a test/deca/EQ stack. I believe it was 400mg deca/800mg test/800 mg EQ for a 16 weeker. He had great results. I don't know exactly what he gained but it was very noticeable. He looked great no homo.
shirlsguyCheers for that, I am thinking of the 800mg Eq/week; that does seem to be the big boys' spot!
Ok. I'm starting to learn. Thanks for the info.
RustyhookerBingo! Deca metabolites can remain 18mo after cycle.
Eq is great for many uses. I've run it many different ways so YES.....how you stack it and what you stack it with changes the outcome. You can full bulk, lean bulk or switch it up. Running eq as your primary or start first 3/4 of cycle even then low dose test.
Basically...wuth eq theres a hundred ways to run it. For custom fit, priors and goals come directly into play. I run eq as my fav.
Eq acetate is faster acting and most likekly less metabolites fliwing around after but ivr got no proof on that. Acetate hits hard and fast but the pip is also there. Not too bad when blended.
For competition, I'd run simple short Esters. Prop with provi and adjust doses as needed. Check with the gurus on piss test clearance times. Males make test so if you're withing "range" then your golden.
What are the benefits if provi in conjunction with test prop?
RustyhookerThere's a stickie that fills you in on provide. Good read! Definitely check it out and you'll understand how guys can run low doses and still be very successful. Matched compounds
juice12345678There is a Search button brother
I love Equipose. Now I dont know what sport that it is you do, But if there is doping testing I would not suggest EQ. EQ has one of the longest Esters attached to it.( Undecylenate ). Now when you say what is the correct dosage for this.... That is all up to the person and the persons goals. So what exactly are your goals ? Also what kind of sport are we speaking of ? What is your cycle history? The potential for sides are low at a lower dose. As it is with any aas though as you raise the dose the potential for sides also raises. What are the benefits. You could get a million answers on this. I use EQ for its hunger sides. To up my Vasc. Also while running Tren to help boost my cardio. I honestly think the main answer here is . A. you are some sort of athlete in fear of a doping test. If this is the case then EQ is not for you.
You're right I don't want to fail any drug test. I weight train but I also do martial arts as well, more specifically jui jitsu, but I do enjoy doing long cardio sessions.
But I don't plan on competing any time soon.
biggerthanyouI don't think ester has much to do with how long a steroid is detectable in ur system man. Everywhere I have found says eq is detectable for about a month. But tren ace is like 3 months. Doesn't make sense if ester is the difference maker....I think the compound of itself has SOMETHING to do with it. But not everything since I'm seeing that test prop is like 2 weeks and test e is 3 months...kinda confusing huh?
Its always nice to have a good debate though right? makes a guy think. I think we all need to be debating a little more... lol
The Ester has everything to do with how long something is in your system Brother. I dont know where your reading that EQ is in your system for a month But I would have to say your wrong on this. If it was about the hormone and not the ester than an ester would not change your inject times. Take Tne for instance. That is Test with no ester attached to the hormone itself. TNE is in and out of your system very quickly because there is no ester. Or you could take Deca and NPP as another example if you would like. Deca is in your system forever because of the ester that is attached. NPP is basically the same drug with a different ester. NPP kis in and out of your system fairly quickly. Almost any hormone without an ester is in and out fairly quickly
Steroid compounds are detectable in your system for a long time after the body has hydrolysed the ester, eq is detectable for 4 to 5 months, the molecules still remain in your system for quite a while, deca is detectable in a urine test for 18 months after your last injection ester half life's have nothing to do with it.
I concur with this.. Good info my friend and scientificaly accurate! PLUS 1
biggerthanyouSo why is test prop detectable for 2 weeks but test e is 3 months????
If your wanting look at it from that point of view why is dbol detectable for 6 weeks and has a half life of 6 hours
I'm just getting beat on today... I really wish guys would just state more than there opinion on how I'm wrong and give some facts...
biggerthanyouFeel free to beat on me right back NO HOMO haha yeah I mean I posted a link on here but like I said, the chart seems out dated! I think ester does have something to do with detection time but the compound itself MUST have some effect too. But that's my opinion with no real facts to back that with
biggerthanyouDo a simple Google search and you shall see what I'm talking about. But ur right eq is 4-5 months I was thinking about primo enanthate which is a month but test enanthate is 3 months. Makes no sense and that is on multiple different sites when I Google search. Deca is 18 months but npp is a year. Tren ace AND tren e are 3-5 months. So technically we are BOTH wrong ;)
We are talking about DETECTION TIMES not how long the steroid is in your system. Make sense? Like even deca and eq will clear ur system within 3 weeks but that doesn't mean that you won't test positive forthem on a steroid test...
That's what I'm trying to understand myself. Why does EQ stay dectectable 4-5 months but Test E is only 3 months. What makes stay in the body for the longer?
EQ has alonger Ester than Test E.