I use 23ga 1.5" as well u need to make sure u get it deep into the muscle.... Now back to your last statement on your last post about everyone being a dick....when u ask questions like that it makes you look either really lazy a cop or a idiot that dont need to be messing with gear...not tryin to be a dick just bein honest...you gotta pay your dues bro u gotta do the homework i cant begin to tell u how many hrs i spent researching gear and i still ask stupid questions and have a lot to learn....im sure everyone on this site would help you if you would take the time to educate yourself and ask questions the right way....again not bein a dick im just giving you my opinion!! Oh and read the rules lol

Gear is pinned Intra Muscular (in the muscle) not Subcutaneously (just below the skin). Those slin pins are for sub q and are not long enough bro. The guage is also most likly to small for gear to go through.

i use 1.5" 23 gauge,