posted Tue, 08/28/2018 - 23:53
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Anyone interested in this one?
It will answer the wrastler question for McGregor, for sure.
Khabib's father has already given the gameplan away, hold him for 2 rounds then take an easy win via fatigue.
I just cannot see McGregor having developed his slow twitch fibres enough yet to overcome the gas issue.
However, if Khabib gets excited and leaps in with his pathetic uppercut, he will get KO'd.
hmmmm...
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Wow! wasn't expecting the ring rust to have been that bad!
Slow twitch just aint there
Lovely first round from McGregor as expected and then Khabib all the way as expected!
Disgraceful scraps after the bell, bunch of knackers
jayiskdoes Russia make cheque drops.,maybe Khabib had a few..lol
say thats what Tyson was on when he bit holyfields ear off.
Ah man, Tyson Holyfield! That was the biggest wow moment of combat sports history I think!!!
Khibib dry fucked him into a submission.That being said Conor went out like a bitch.Ran out of gas and looked for a way out.The choke was in the face and he tapped.
Very very glad McGregor lost ...This is what you get when you mess with and wind up genuinely hard people
StevebYeaaaaaaaaaaasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Couple of decent vids to whet the appetite
ESPN 1 on 1 with Khabib
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh5C6bPdHl4
Inside the Octagon. Intelligent insights from Dan Hardy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cVfAN_ix4Y
I was watching the Khabib Johnson fight again
Two things struck me; if Khabib gets hit like that again, the way he was in the first round, he is getting slept inside 2 mins, and if he ends up standing the way he did against barboza, he will eventually get ktfo.
However, we know from his fathers' interviews he is focused on playing to his strength, so this will involve high pace wrestling. McGegor just doesn't have the slow twitch support for that pace across 5 rounds, something proven on numerous occasions now.
Of course you can convert some fast twitch to slow twitch, but that takes years of hardcore endurance training, which he has not done, treadmills and row machines just dont cut it.
This fight, a classic mix of styles, literally comes down to whoever prevents the other from implementing his gameplan.
StevebAnd if Conor fights the way he did with Chad Mendez he's going to get rag dolled and tossed all over.
Last time I checked Chad got Ko’d early in second.Ive watched that fight several times and I don’t see what others do.Chad got caught reaching early and lost the first.Got Ko’d In second.In fairness to Chad he took the fight on two weeks notice.
StevebI'm only pointing out that Conor had a lot of trouble with a wrestler and Khabib is a lot better at wrestling than that guy. Chads boxing is irrelevant.
He got schooled by Chad on the ground, schooled
I agree to a point except Chad wasn’t able to keep him down.Took him down pretty easily but eventually got caught reaching telegraphing his shoot.
Agreed! That was when the fatigue was setting in. Im sure the short notice had something to do with it, but yeah, timing and precision, bang, ko.
Actually that raises an interesting question of Khabib, he is fast, for sure, but could Conor use that paw to keep him back and post off his head to sprawl back, i wonder?
I just think Khibib’s head is too vulnerable.He doesn’t tuck his chin.That will get you a nap with Conor.
Mmmm... Yep, of course he was going to get taken down, as he will by Khabib. Mendes is one of the best MMA wrestlers/submission grapplers that has competed in the UFC. But he finishes people, versus Khabib who is a pure GnP to decision guy. I think the difference you are pointing to is that once Khabib takes people down, that he doesnt let them back up.
So the fair presumption might be that once Khabib takes Conor down, which he will do, Conor never gets back up, until the bell, for 5 rounds - thats a real possibility with Khabib, right? The real question there is probably whether Conor can tee off at the beginning of rounds, can he conserve energy on the ground, and can he withstand the pace, and can he withstand the inevitable GnP?
That said? Have you heard Mendes describe what it was like in between takedowns?
StevebKhabib is a way better at wrestling and submissions than Chad is and on top of that he is a lot bigger than Chad.
Better at wrestling? Agreed.
Better at submissions?! Khabib has no jitz, whatsoever. He couldn't sub his way out of a sandwich bar. Literally.
StevebHe doesn't have any JuJitsu he has Sambo. Sambo guys are really good at No gi. And to say a guy who's won multiple Sambo tournaments has "no submissions" is very retarded. JiuJitsu stole a lot from Sambo, before they mainly focused on chokes and a few arm locks. Sambo had way more submissions including all leg locks. Khabib would have to be in the top 5 of all the UFC for his submission skills.
Sambo>JiuJitsu all day
Top five?Then why doesn’t he submit anyone?All his fights have been TKO by dry hump or decision.Truth is Gleason Tibeau beat him in my opinion.Khibib couldn’t hold him down and actually had to fight.Khibib is the Ben Askren of the UFC,only funky Ben would murder Khibib at 170 of course.
Khabib, does Sambo, yes, but he isn't a core sambo player. Right, have a look to the core skills displayed in almost every fight... body locks, hands wrapped right around body, wrist control, hip control while posting. So yeah he trained sambo but you show me any evidence anywhere, from any time in his pro fighting career where he does anything except amazing (phenomenal) wrestling decent GnP and bad boxing.
Show me and I will listem. He is a core wrestler, nothing else. And by that I mean this; his foundation is wrestling, thats his core skillset, but as an MMA player, of course he trains other things, like striking, submission grapping etc.
McGregor is what, a brown belt in jitz? trains it heavily for MMA... but are we gonna say he is an very good BJJ guy, in the context of his fight career? No fkn way man. His core skillset, is boxing, something he did froma young age, way before his MMA career.
Khabib is same with wrestling, taking sambo judo etc to complement his MMA arsenal.
Your statement re: sub skills is a bit nutty. As is your Sambo v JJitz statement. They can all be tools in the toolbox, but regardless, Khabib doesnt use whatever Sambo he did learn, it is almost all pure wrestling (and very bad boxing) with very good GnP.
Is it not better to analyse fights/skillsets, in the interest of a good competition? Are you not a fight fan or do the personalities bother you that much??
He is a champ at combat sambo which has a lot of submission.Truth is he just is not as skilled as most guys in UFC.Physically he is a beast and his top game is brutal.Lets see his bottom game.My guess he gets ko’d.If he stands he gets ko’d for sure.
Absolutely agree, yeah he has trained in a lot of things, naturally and MMA being what it is epitomizes the mix. But his skills came from wrestling from birth practically. So then he hits MMA, his core base is wrestling but he has to learn to strike (boxing), to sub and strike from guard etc, so he learns some Sambo and Judo..... and competed Sambo too of course, but this was to complement his wrestling base, for his MMA career (as far as I am aware, strategised with his dad).
So, if we think about it, what are we really saying, are we stereotyping that he is a sambo player?
or that he knows sambo and trains it as a part of the puzzle for MMA? Well I think I would argue he is an MMA fighter with a core base in wrestling and great sambo striking , some subs (he never does sambo setups for subs, just GnP), some judo.
Look to his go to moves... bodylock, wrist control, hi[ control, arms locked around the back, will drop for a single or double gladly... pretty much core wrestling skills, visible in every fight. then GnP, then maybe sometimes take a sub if it is there, but mostly GnP till decisions?
There is a thing that happens when the gas tank is empty, when fighting in your sport. You revert to type. Boxer ends up boxing his power punch only, wrestler ends up shooting for doubles or for singles against southpaws, Sambo and Judokas end up trying desperately to clinch. It always becomes visible when we are out of gas, revert to type. Khabib is no different, I think, but we might never find out hahaha! He is an engine!
Yes I agree.His sambo is nothing like Fedor who has top notch submission game.It is certainly almost all wrestling.His striking is rudimentary.His level of competition lacks as well.One thing for sure it will be interesting.I personally am a Conor fan.I just love a good shit talker! No matter who wins it only gets harder from here.With guys like Tony Ferguson, Kevin Lee,And Brian Ortega waiting for shots next year will be even more interesting.
Fedor,.... he absolutely is a great example of a Sambo player who transitioned, well said!!
Hopefully McGregor will lose, can't stand the idiot. Just a common gyppo....
Check out the sound clip of his sister leaving a voicemail for her beautician! Gives you a glimpse into the quality of their stock!
Goddamnit, I forgot I posted this, gotta catch up on all the comments!
I got McGregor winning this fight by KO round 3. He didn’t hold two titles cuz he got lucky. This Khabib guy hasn’t been tested really against quality fights pull they basicly gave him the title.
Again Nate I throw pillows Diaz beat him and took everything he hit him with.
Khabib by ass rape.
On a side note...Lesnar will destroy Cormier with just sheer size and strength. Lesnar is an excellent wrestler and could hang all day with Cormier in a ground fight. Cormier won’t want to take it to the ground and will be subject to Lesnar’s size and get beat, and beat good.
StevebThere has got to be some way we can bet on this, DC is going to win easy. This is not a good resume for a heavy weight. Shane Carwin is his biggest win and it wasn't pretty he almost lost early on.
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Brock-Lesnar-17522#!
You bring up a good point. I think pound for pound DC is the better fighter....However, I think the size dominance will tip the scales for Lesnar.
Carwin is a monster, he has the size to stand with a Lesnar. In my opinion Carwin should have won that fight. But again, Carwin has the size and strength to hang with Brock. DC is a very very fat heavyweight. Did You know Carwin was a brilliant engineer?
StevebRemember DC is better than Cain
Yeah Carwin is very smart and kept his day job because he never trusted Dana White. Watch the fight where Carwin fights with one arm recently.
Lesnar is a shrunken mess right now since entering the Usada pole a month ago. He will be 220lbs by the time he fites. It's sad. Look at the recent pics. Or the YouTube video that was put up last week. He must have the test levels of a prepubescent 12yr old girl right now. He's gonna get mauled.
Otherwise I would prob agree with the hes too big for Cormier statement.
Oh yeah. I’ve seen how small Lesnar is. No T is kicking his ass. Give it time....He’ll get back on the juice and be just fine for the fight. Lolw
As much as I don’t like Cormier fat ass he’s a fucking great fighter. No chance Lesnar wins that fight.
X2 he also out wrestles him all night.
It’s different. Lesnar was D1 National heavyweight champ. DC couldn’t do it at 184....granted he had the greatest wrestler of all time in his weight class who co sewuently kicked his ass 6 times over his career.... but I do t know. I think it will all depend on what Lesnar we get. Lesnar beat couture who is 20 times the wrestler DC ever was. It was the same situation. Couture was the better fighter but he just didn’t t have the size.
Needless to say, I’m slightly excited over the fight.
D C punches very hard at heavyweight and Lesnar gets hit too often.The wrestling will cancel out.Lesnar’s only chance is to land a big punch like he did against Couture.I like Lesnar but don’t expect him to win.Shit what do I know ,I thought Mark Hunt would knock him out.
Wait and watch.
McGregor and Ronda Rousey should get together and make a movie. About how to be a bad ass untill they come up on some one that accually knows how to fight back.
Lmao! I have to +2 that comment.
Preach on!
Khabib by tko, submission if Conor gives his back up once the gas tanks empty.
But Khabib will dominate, Conor’s only chance is in the first round.
Can’t wait
Khabib. All day every day.
McGregor will be soft from his time off, and Khabib is hungry.
Even on Mcgregor’s very best day....he gets beat by Khabib. The Mick can talk, the mick can bring in the best paydays....but really...is he a proven long term champion? Hell no.
I think many people are forgetting that the fight always starts standing up
Flip a coin, its 50/50
Let's not forget he hit Nate with 37 overhand lefts and couldn't put him out. And khabib has never been knocked down in his career let alone ko'd
I think Kahib wins but styles make fights. Nate Diaz can box as good as anyone in the UFC except his brother.
Khabib no doubts
Think Khabib is the winner in this battle