posted Fri, 09/29/2017 - 07:07
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Niacin Flush
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Any of you gents have any tips for getting used to the Niacin Flush?
I haven't dont it properly before and have kicked off today with 500mgs, but holy crap was my reaction severe.
Ive gotten some anti-histamines and aspirin, but I am wondering if anyone has any other tips?! Or, is it a grin and bear it type-thing until I get used to it?!!
Cheers folks!
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I have been reading up on this, since you do it frequently what effects does it have on your actual labs. Just curious.
Does it raise your HDL a little bit or just lower your LDL.
I haven’t done it in years but it would definitely be for me instead of statins and anti inflammatory medication. Which I take frequent. The effects it has on your brain reversing benzodiazepine abuse was interesting too.
I started niacin supplements today. Wish i had read this thread BEFORE taking any. Had it before in a pwo, back of neck and ears burned a bit, but the tablets - Christ almighty....
I popped one 500 mg tablet right before I planned to eat lunch. But before i could eat i got a phone call that lasted about 10 minutes. I sat down to eat, had 2 or 3 bites, and it hit me like a ton of freakin' bricks, lol, I will never forget that burn, full-body burn, thought I might become a victim of spontaneous combustion.
Oooohhhh boy!!!!
Yeah it is vicious.
I started with 500 and had a full on panic attack. Biggest tip i can give is do not have shower during the flush or shortly after.
I jumped to 1k at night immediately and eased i to the daytime flush.
I know take 1k a dose 3 times per day.
This reverses your flipped lipids pretty quickly
BUT it cannot fight tren and orals etc and aromatade inhibitors, all which affect lipids negatively. It cannot fight them indefinitely.
My strategy going forward for orals is heavy pulse 2 weeks max then flush.
Woth a lipid flipping oil, its a reset period where i ditch say deca or trwn at 8/9/10 weeks or wherever myostatin kicks in, maybe 13... all depends. And reset for 2 weeks on very low test and niacin flush with 3k inmediately.
The pain becomes pleasure eventually... erections from it and the warm watery feeling is a lovely thing! Ha
I should also mention... when flushing and not focussed on hypertrophy i load with about 6k dose of vitamin C split qcross 3x oer day as a syper anti-ox to fight inflammation from free radicals released by niacin. Its a brilliant addition.
Thanks G, that's great info, will be put to go use. All I'm taking now that got me on the niacin bandwagon is proviron, but I likely will need it for other reasons in down down the road. I'm up to 2,500, go up to 3 in the next couple days. Still getting some burn, but doesn't compare to that first one though, lol.
I see some comments below that kind of state the same but my 2cents...
Do not use timed release Niacin - it is hard on the liver
Read the Book - Clear mind, Clear body - you can find a link to it for free on the facebook group called Smart Detox with Niacin & Sauna Protocol - This protocol has been used for years, although has slightly changed with more understanding of Niacin and the introduction of Infrared Sauna's.
Niacin releases stored toxins from your fat cells around 3hrs after you take it - so using a sauna to sweat out the toxins should be done at that time, if you do not sweat the toxins out they will re lodge in your fat cells and become tougher to get out (there are several Dr's that talk about this but you can watch a 10min video on Youtube - Dr. Yu's Detoxification Protocol to get the basics)
I understand that detoxing isn't your main goal but I've read and researched so much on this subject and seen/heard most of the experts talk about the harm of releasing toxin's in your body without flushing them out.
Also, with the flush, you can back the dose down and slowly build up- more isn't always better. Its not the huge flush that you are after.... the magic happens at the 2.5-4hour mark
OUTSTANDING!!!
Thank you Mandi. Thats a fantastic couple of tips right there, much appreciated.
Yeah so i wasnt aware of the seriousness of the need tobtransport the toxins out, but i surmised it based on logic... so i have been water flushing and taking in a large regular amount of antioxidants as well as fibres and probiotics (given their ability to message hormones etc)
There is a tangible energy that comes with this, physical and mental. .. its really interesting.
Im going to gobthrough evetything youve posted here properly tomorrow.
Thanks again
There’s a study I read about rapid fat loss in the 90s I believe and one of the weird findings was a high concentration of a commercial pesticide that hasn’t been used since the 70s. Our fat cells can hold these toxins probably for life.
I think I used to take 5000mg years ago when I had no idea what I was doing and it feels like poison ivy and a bad sunburn at the same time. Try going for fasted non panting cardio and flush with water. Wouldn’t recommend that dose but getting ur blood moving with the extra water and blood vessel dilation can help remove artery plaque and the toxins stored in there too. Cold showers helped with the burn too
You're welcome
Small note; the fast acting antihistamine piriton really helped more do than the 24hr one. Tradeoff is the drowsiness. Im up to 1mg a go now after taking 1mg right before drifting off to bed. Also, activity like walking or jogging also helps big time in mitigating effects.
There are Niacin supplements out there that are "Flush-Free"... or "Time-Release"...
Otherwise, it just gets easier with more use...
I do a Niacin Flush Detox once per week... take 500mg Niacin within 10-20min you'll feel the flush, take 5g of D-Ribose... and step into sauna for 20-30m. Basically, this combo is similar to taking NAD+...
There are many benefits with the Niacin dilation + sauna... one being that it assists in maximizing the release of toxins.
First time I had an extreme flush reaction for 1 hour following the Sauna session... certainly was uncomfortable, but bearable. The following sessions resulted in less of a reaction...
i use time release niacin, 500 mg and i still get a flush, personally i like it though so i dont mind
RustyhookerOn point!!! That sauna will change your whole game in terms of health and recovery
I think if I'd been in a sauna yesterday, I'd have died.
Solid, thanks, I'll see how I get on today, but am likely going to step it up to 1K, need to work towards the 3g to achieve the lipid results I need to see before I am back with the doc
Drink lots of orange juice and water not sure why but that helps me
Cheers dude, thanks for the tip
RustyhookerI use the slow release niacin and so far have had no issues.
Mind if I ask what dose?
Rustyhooker500mg.
Makes sense, at that dose you shouldn't run into any liver issue
Cheers Rusty,
Was there a particular mg amount for the SR liver damage Bm?
I can't remember bro, it was pretty vague about the actual damage and dose. The literature I've read implied that cessation fixed it so any damage wasn't permanent. But I wouldn't risk a 3 gram XR dose for long periods.
I experimented with niacin a lot, mostly to increase circulation to my often pale face lol (no homo).
Niacin probably acts on a GPCR in blood vessels, which then synthesize lipid mediators (similar to prostaglandins) to vasodilate your vessels.
1) I gets better day by day as your receptors are downregulated over time and after a week or so -even at high dosages- you don´t flush at all anymore. So gradually increase the dosage
2) aspirin or any other NSAID inhibits COX (which does the conversion of AA to yield those mediators), so just pop an aspirin half an hour before you take your niacin if you can´t/don´t want to stand the flushing for a few days
Thank you sir, appreciate the info.
Tell me this, am I right in that the flush is actually one of the benefits we seek, even though it may be uncomfortable? that is one thing that has confused me. i.e. can the benefits be yielded despite becoming accustomed to it and no more bad flush effects...?
Tbh I don´t really know. I actually always kinda liked the flush and for me flushing was the purpose of taking niacin because it seemed that the circulation in my face and hands was higher for a few days.
I´d say, at least it doesn´t hurt as long as you don´t flush too hard, which could potentially drive blood pressure too low causing one to faint or get dizzy (since all the plasma leaks out of your vessels similarly to an anaphylactic shock).
Though, what I read is that flushless niacin is pretty useless so I guess, yeah, the flushing might (at least) contribute to the positive effects of niacin
Ok so Im going to be the newb here and ask what does taking the niacin do for you specifically? I understand it can help with cholesterol, but thats about as far as my knowledge goes. I did a quick google search but came up mostly with how to use niacin to beat a drug test.
Nah man I am new to it too lol.
A 6 month tren trip put my chol backwards and elev trigly's. BP was up too.
So post cycle, to reverse it i did the food thing and now am flushing and going on an anti-ox buzz to clear out before a new run.
Niacin will raise good chol, lower the small particle bad ldl's (there are good LDL's dont be fooled), its good for CVD prevention, good for inflammation reduction. It's also a vasodilator and when the cells open they eject toxins. So I am also using heavy vit C and water as anti-ox's to help remove whatever gets ejected. As a vasodilator, I can tell you tight now that it can help you have raging erections too (you wont hear much about that elsewhere lol..... when you hear vasodilation you usually think cialis or viagra etc or NOX supps)
Apparently it has very positive effects on depression and stress/anxiety. I read one report, but am not sure if this is fully verified as true, more to read on it.
Nicotonic Acid is what you need as all Niacin's ain't equal. As pointed out by our good friend Bearded below, some are dangerous for the liver and need to be completely avoided.
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Great info! Thanks! What is the schedule for doing this? Is it a 1 time saturation dose or every day for a week etc..
It does sound like something we all should do whether post cycle or maybe twice a year or so. I'll pose the same question to you as Bearded, aside from the flush and perhaps the hardon (depending on whos around) any other negative sides you've experienced?
If you look to Beaded below, he talks of a simulated entended release (as opposed to the actual extended release which is muck). This gives ongoing benefits through the day.
Personally I am sitting at 1x per day until the flush subsides. My entire body went on fire, beetroot colour, massive goosebumps, like the wors, worst ever prickly heat you have had.
Yeah it's for your blood lipids. Mostly. Medical literature says up to 2 grams will decrease ldl but not affect hdl. 3 grams a day was the dose that both raised hdl and lowered ldl in the studies.
Side note the vasodilative properties are also supposed to help a bit with blood vessel calcification and plaque buildup. Basically all of the above are side effects of steroids so taking it makes sense.
Sounds like it could be beneficial for anyone gettng a little older as the plaque and calcification can occur from.lifestyle and just life in general. So in addition to the flushing feeling Giardp posted about are there other negative side effects someone would be concerned about?
Im going to do a bit more research on this subject this weekend because it sounds like something I woulf give a go. Im pretty healthy but about to turn 42 and even tho my hdl and ldl were ok atlast check Im all for anything that makes me better.
Thanks for the info!
If you're fair skinned you turn red for a bit, 15-45 minutes. The major concern is your liver. As long as your liver is healthy it doesn't show that it causes damage using straight niacin. With the XR version the extended release chemicals can be harmful to the liver especially when taken at the doses necessary to see the benefit from the niacin. Also the blood vessel benefits don't occur with the XR version so it's clearly inferior for our uses.
Even so I'd check values twice a year or so but you're probably already doing that already.
Perfect! Thank you! Next liver function test will be is in Nov. So maybe I will spend some time checking this out more and perhaps if all is good with it I'll give this a ho. I have taxes myself a bit more than previously this year.
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Said much better than me, kudos
Honestly, I think it's a grin and bear it type of thing man. Hard to imagine myself getting used to that feeling. However, I haven't ever done it proper as you gents are. I have only had a major niacin flush from overdosing on Five Hour Energy drinks.
Yeah seems that way, arghughhh! Oh well!
Five Hour Energy drink? A niacin filled energy drink??? That doesnt sound fun!
Fuck, I know; right?!? These small energy drinks are packed with vitamins and caffeine and I was young and not paying attention to labels and such.
Niacin (as Niacinamide) 30 mg 150%DV
I lost count of how many I had drank during a 24 hour period, but it was a stupid amount. Needless to say, I had a very bad time!!
Idk I did it once and my skin felt like it was on fire I never done it again
THE BURN!!!!
Yeah lads, its an awful experience, but it is supposed to subside, so I will go again!
My Mrs. thought I was having heart problems!!! She laughed when I told her it might help prevent them!
First off nice job on picking the flush version. You must already know the flush free extended release ones are linked to liver damage.
Aim to take it immediately following a large meal. I started at a gram following my largest meal and I'm now up to a gram after breakfast lunch and dinner for 3 grams a day. Many guys will need to start lower than a gram, but make sure you ate! And drink plenty of water. Basically what you're doing with the food is creating a mechanical extended release in your gut rather than the chemical. That seems to help with the stomachache. The flush will diminish over time. It actually becomes enjoyable after you get used to it. Reminds me of the beta alanine flush I used to get when I took that stuff.
Cheers BM,
Yeah I had read up about it in advance. Seems to me that a lot of people, going to their llocal vit shop will be buying the wrong thing... I had to get mine shipped from the UK as every shop in Ireland I could find Niacin in, were the non-flush versions. Yes so I loaded up on food and water, but found the 500mg pretty severe! Cannot imagine what 3g's would be like!
It is funny that you say it becomes enjoyable in time. I have to say the basic warm glow and dilation of the bv's does genuinely feel nice. But, the fiery burn and pins/needles/sunburn feeling that follows was.... extremely distressing to be honest!!!
I will try to get more hydrated tomorrow in advance, might man up and notch it up a step.
Thanks dude.
It gets better. Literally in a matter of days in my experience. My first dose I hit a gram on an empty stomach like an idiot. I was doubled over in stomach cramps for a half hour then sprawled out sweating for another hour or so after that lol
Jebus!!!
Well Im gonna push through anyway lol