+ 2 What happened to the number 1 rated US source?
I'm running my first cycle and bought test-E from the #1 rated and Test-C from the #2 rated US domestic sources. The stuff I got from source 1 made me swell up like a balloon and I even got a low grade fever for a couple days (doesnt happen with the source 2). I wanted to contact them to see what kind of carrier oil they use because maybe I'm allergic to it and it would be nice to know, but I see their website doesnt exist anymore!? I'm a bit perplexed because I only bought from them because they were the #1 rated US source at the time as of last month. Does this happen a lot? Anyone know if them being shut down has anything to do with the (potentially) bad gear I got? Should I throw away the gear that makes me swell?
I'm a total noob here so sorry in advance.
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Why would you even THINK about injecting something that gave you “baseball size lumps/ swelling” that is NOT normal and the gear is most likely contaminated. THROW IT AWAY, 59 bucks vs hmmm possible infection leading to sepsis. THROW IT OUT! You should be using 22g 1.5 inch needles with proper aseptic techniques. Wash your hands, clean the surface you set the gear on, wipe site and top of vial with alcohol (let air dry) then use a new pin to draw, switch to a new pin to inject, throw away both pins. It’s not that expensive or time consuming. I do it once a week for TRT, never swells, never red, never pip even when I was “green”
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It happens not a lot but often, you are not dealing with brick and mortar pharmacies. Reasons a source may disappear can be varied: the heat/PD/LE/Feds was getting to close and the operator decided to spend some time at the beach and let the smell of bacon and donuts dissipate. They may have gone from solid source to scam artist over night. They are in the midst of reinventing them selves with a new name and website.
If a source is not longer listed here, we don't generally talk about them in the open forum, take it to their SI page if it still exists.
That is your decision, what you put in your body is your choice, but there is a reason the source isn't here. long story short,.......your choice.
RustyhookerFirst cycle and swelling....can you describe your pin procedure....pin size, cc, etc....narrow down the obvious.
Also virgin muscles do react to being stabbed. Sucks but true
JJmarcoI was mistaken in the original post. Source 2 is TestC 250mg/ml and source 1 is Test E 300mg/ml. I originally thought maybe I'm allergic to the carrier oil, but is it possible for a person to swell for Test E but not Test C?
Ive been using 27gauge insulin pins. For the first week I used Source 1 (Test E 300mg/ml), the first few times went IM into my thigh and could barely walk the next few days. It was unbearable. I decided to switch to SubQ the next week either into my belly fat or upper thigh. I would still swell bad but it didnt hurt nearly as much as the IM shots. Week 3 I decided to switch to source 2 (Test C) and I've been having good results doing these subQ injections doing 0.5ml every other day. When I try to do the same with source 1 I get these giant baseball sized swollen areas that hurt like hell. I'm currently going into week 6 of my cycle, the past 4 weeks I have been pretty much exclusively using the testC from source2, but occasionally I will try a shot of TestE, because I was reading that massaging the injection site for a few mins and spreading the oil around can decrease the swelling. This did nothing.
300mg of test can he painful, especially in the quad. I remember T400 back in the day would make you limp for 4 days. Try a 1.5" needle in the glute.
Alot of folks in past have reported bad reaction to test e, swelling etc. I had that reaction. I heard there were bad raws at one point. I believe that.
So you might want to edit at top cause this could be confusing to some. It's test e first source and C second source from what you're saying now. I don't think its a good idea to sub-q half a ml of that test 300. I've used that test e for a long time and it has bad pip. And yes a few times I did knot up. Was that test effective? Yes it was. It's better to dilute that test e because it's slightly overdosed over 300mg/ml. Newbies gotta remember the higher the concentration most likely the higher the pip. Testosterone injections were originally 100-200mg /ml.
JJmarcoThank you for the info! So it sounds like it could be TestE vs C, or the fact that it's 300mg/ml thats giving me the bad pip. Can bad pip cause a fever? I had around 100degree fever for a full 24hours which Is what made me think it was contaminated or something.
If its just the fact that its a higher concentration I will try diluting it and see how that goes. Do you have a recommendation for an oil to cut with? (can I just use sesame or olive oil bought from the grocery store?)
After browsing this website a little more it seems like a lot of people around here dont like SubQ. Do you know why this is? I researched this topic a lot before my cycle and from what I gathered the medical community says it doesn't make any difference. SubQ might absorb slower but after you reach a steady state absorption rate doesn't matter. (or so I thought)
Yeah you seem to be new to all of this so you probably need do more research before you decide to cycle. Like Greg stated below you really don't want to do a cycle using sub q. That's just not normal and practical. That's more for trt. Also you don't want to sub-q any 300mg or higher testosterone, especially the one you're using now. Doing this will result in a lump etc so you gotta know what you're doing man. Too many variables going on. Did you sanitize injection site and top of vial with alcohol? If not an infection could occur. Also, high milligram test can cause test flu that results in fever. Like I said I used that test 300 and had pip but no swelling, no fever, so it's either a bad batch, you're not sanitizing properly or you just have a bad reaction to Enanthate ester. Alot of variables. Please be careful brother.
bad pip = inflammation
Inflammation = "infection"
infection = fever
Sub Q will be painful and leave red welts if injecting amounts greater than 1/2 ml. Great for TRT dosing... not so much for running a cycle.
RustyhookerWrong pin and dont subq a cycle.
25x1 its operator error. Oil is subq from ugl and irritating the space between muscle and dermis
It’s normal. They all start out with great plans and promises. Then 90% either send out crap gear or get too greedy by taking a thousand orders a week and crash and burn right after then honeymoon period. There are a few that are smart enough to focus on the long game. But don’t worry, they will pop up again under a new name and do it all over again and again and again. Can’t fix stupid.
Lol true. Well said man
JJmarcoThat makes sense. I would have thought the ratings system would help prevent against this type of thing though but I guess it can only do so much.
Oh that rating system works. Many have tried to fool it. They may get away with it for a few days but they all get caught quickly.
I was wondering the same thing.
I actually enjoyed dealing with them, it was very simple and trustworthy.
The gear I got was good quality though never had an issue with it. I was running test E then switched to Sus 250 and I'm getting great gains.
JJmarcoYeah the guy I dealt with on email was so nice and went out of his way to give me conformation & shipping updates. Do you by any chance know what carrier oil they use? Is it different than the current #1 rated US source? I'm just trying to understand why one source would cause swelling and a fever and the other wouldn't.
If it matters I'm doing subQ injections every other day.
Is there a shade of color to it or clear? Also, try intra muscular injections if you haven't already and see if there's a change.
JJmarcoYeah the stuff from source 1 has a (very faint) yellowish tint to it. Stuff 2 is clear. Does this indicate a contamination or just a different carrier oil?
No, it just means a different carrier. Likely cottonseed vs mct. Could also be oxidation etc. No way to really tell without testing.