Prolactin related gyno
So I got gyno last cycle, on tren, test and npp. after the cycle it had not really bothered me, I had a lot of stuff going on in my life and stopped training and just forgot about it, around the time I stopped training and everything I had been taking letro for about a week and I don't think it really helped at all. now 5 years later, I started a cycle of npp, test, and mast. the gyno really flared up so I dropped the npp. In a few days I'll be starting caber, because I feel it is prolactin related and not estrogen. In about 6 weeks I'll be able to get my bloodwork done, but in the meantime is there a way to tell for sure whether it's from prolactin or if it's from estrogen. Also if I'm getting my bloodwork done on my own without a doctor going over the results, what markers am I looking for to determine which is the cause, or will it say right on the test etrogen and prolactin? Thanks guys.
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TricepatopsNot saying this is the answer but sounds like you have prolactin related gyno due to Nor 19s. Caber will help but also you can crash it easy and feel like shit for about a week. I unfortunately did that as I had 1mg and 2mg pharma pills and they got mixed up so that was my fault but I only took 2 pieces of them and they were half of a half piece. .25mgs or . 50 mgs was the dose and it seems to have a long half life. Honestly if I were you I would skip the Nor 19s and use something else or if you have to run them use low doses as you will probably flare it up as it is going to be hard to dial it in. This is just my experience and opinion. I don't run Tren anymore due to my age and how bad it is for your body compared to other steroids. To me the sides and how bad it is for you isn't worth it as I found DHB to be almost as good with hardly any sides at all.
Off topic. Why did you get rid of your avatar? Not digging in any way but I liked seeing it. It let me know right away I was probably gonna read something worthwhile.
Ya I don't know what I was thinking starting the npp again, the second I noticed the flare up I dropped the npp. It sucks because basically everything I want to run is a nor19 but now I can't touch them. I ran tren once and I loved it but I was young and an idiot, my training was pretty good but everything else was trash, and now ill probably never run it again but wish I could. I also have heart issues, so I got to be careful anyways.
TricepatopsWell you definitely don't want to run Tren or any thing that makes you retain water. But for me as I got older I prefer Primo and DHB. Primo is one of the best ones with the fewest sides and all muscle gained is pretty much all kept. It is slower and steady. You need to monitor you cholesterol levels and triglycerides and if you do have heart problems I suggest you get an EKG along with ultrasound. Make sure you have no valve damage or low ejection fraction
i just had an ultrasound for blood clots the other day and an ekg in about two weeks, just to make sure everything is going good, because i got a new cardiologist. and are you saying stay away from things that cause water retention because of the heart or the gyno?
RustyhookerBlood clots? If you got blood clot issues then roids aint your friend. Thats just redonculous
no my arm was tingling so they were just making sure
RustyhookerProlactin raises when estro raises.
Bloodwork through private lab is relatively cheap, why would you wait 6 more weeks when you are aware of situation now? Not understanding your logic (lack of) here,.....
"Hey guys I broke my leg and the bone is protruding from the skin, I'll get an X-ray next week and see for sure"
Click link below for detailed bloodwork info.......
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/blood-testing-resourc...
Nevermind i found the Prolactin panel, thanks for the info
No problem. Those cheap prices on the link basically are standard and stay low due to the discounts they offer. Just inquire till you find the place that best fits your budget. Don't wait if possible and get the blood work done asap. Good luck
idk if anyone know the answer to this but, Insurance will only cover bloodwork if its ordered by a doctor right? Because I've had bloodwork done before and insurance paid but it was for hemoglobin and stuff like that for a blood transfusion. and is there a way to get a doctor to order a hormone panel without a medical need for it? or no cus its gear related?
No, due to the fact that it's gear related and as a result, you can possibly be dropped from insurance coverage. Just shell out the $100 and pay for private lab. Blood work, as you already now know.... is cheap compared to cost of compounds/AI/ancillaries etc. Go the private lab route, pay the fees, no questions asked in and out one and done. This lifestyle in general is not cheap, but worse thing you can do is skimp on blood work especially since you mentioned you have heart problems....I'm not a doctor/medical professional, but how wise are you being with doing gear knowing your heart is problematic?
Its not necessarily problematic, supposedly its good as new, ive had a valve in my heart replaced, so my doctor said it's like Im perfectly healthy since i had the surgery, but that was only in regard to supplements and training I obviously didn't mention the gear, but I've just been taking it slow. and no I'm not being very wise to be honest with you, and im just in love with bodybuilding and training and gear as well. I really should just learn to love it without the gear and come at with more of a longevity and wellness perspective instead of meat head idiot, but its easier said than done I guess.
I was waiting because of financial reasons, and I already have access to the letro and caber without spending any money so I was hoping there was another way I could confirm that its prolactin so I could start the caber then when I have the money go get the lab work. The prices on that link you pisted are super cheap though, if that really what it costs I'll go get it done this week, I just thought it was way more than that. Also, I didn't see anything in there that mentioned prolactin. Do you know if that's included with the test that would show estrogen levels, or would I just check estrogen and if that's normal then I'd know that prolactin is the problem?
TricepatopsMake sure you get E2 levels checked not total estrogen they are different. Total estrogen on some labs won't break it down if it is E2 or E1 or E3 levels. Some labs might do that.
Get bloodwork now. You don't wait when you are already having issues.
Once he gets the bloodwork done and assuming it is due to a prolactin issue, how would you treat it? I am curious since I am about to start my cycle and I will include deca, very low dose per week, only 250mg
TricepatopsI know Makwa answered but at that low of a dose of Deca that chances of prolactin related gyno is slim. Though it is possible the chances are not as good as if you were running 400mgs or above but there are sensitive individuals out there
It is pretty simple, high prolactin is dealt with caber and high estro is delt with an AI like aromasin or arimidex. Neither will get rid of gyno though. That ship has already sailed.
So because it started 5 years ago, do you think surgery is my only option, even if it still stage one?
TricepatopsHonestly I would say yes. I have watched a few guys on YouTube who experimented with AIs and SERMS and it did shrink it some but not take it all the way away and also I remember the one kid says he felt like shit for the last 2 plus weeks or longer and he couldn't take it anymore and also you put yourself at a greater chance of blood clots and stroke lower estro that low for that long.
In saying that once it has been years most people will tell you surgery is the only option.
Most likely. Could try a run of letro but don’t get your hopes up on that
Thanks brother,
I do remember taking caber a long time ago when I did a cycle that includes deca, but it made me feel like shit.
Two of my favorite compounds are test c and equi, whenever I’m on that and i feel an early sign of gyno, I immediately start taking nolvadex 10gm everyday, and it always works for me, but I read that nolvadex and deca don’t go well together. So my question is what other compound would work while on deca to prevent gyno?
TricepatopsI would double check on that Nolvadex and Deca. I swore someone on here said it has been disproved that it is bro science. But the have a newer drug like Nolva and it is called Raloxifene.
Raloxifine?? Never heard of that, interesting. And yes you are right I reas somewhere the same thing about nolvadex and deca, you’re also right about the chances of prolactin at such a low dose, it’s just better to be safe then sorry.
TricepatopsTo me once you get a certain age and realize that shit can happen to you you start to reevaluate The stuff you use and how much. Tren is no more for me high dose cycles same thing. Primo is the only one plus DHB I do over 400mgs everything else is under and even then I run test low with those two compounds 350 or lower and that last few weeks of primo I drop test even more. Try to use as little AIs and ancillaries as possible.
TricepatopsCaber is a rough drug and is not advisable to take unless you truly do have high prolactin levels. The half life is 65 hours and you feel like shit if you don't dose it right which is hard because we are talking about MCG not. Mgs per dose.
Caber and an AI like I mentioned. Keep estro in range and you likely will not even need caber.