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+ 44 First Cycle- When to take AI

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I have been noticing more and more in many of the first cycles that are being posted that people are listing crazy high AI doses right off the bat. Obviously they are not reading any of the stickies here or really researching AI’s. Guys with their first test only cycle are putting AI doses in there like .5mg of Adex ED and I have even seen some at 1mg ED. Same with aromasin, 25mg/d. This is crazy and for the majority of people out there and is for sure going to crash their estro. I sure hope they aren’t getting these ideas off of this site or members from here. If so, we need to find the posts recommending those crazy AI doses for a first cycle and hopefully re-educate some members if that is the case.

Now….there seems to be a couple trains of thought for incorporating an AI into your cycle.

  1. Keep an AI on hand and use only if estro signs show up or bloodwork shows high estro.
  2. Start low dose of AI beginning of week four and adjust dosage based on bloodwork.

I am more in favor of following method 2. The reason being because of my experience during my first cycle. I had my AI on hand and was waiting for any high estro signs to show up before I started taking it. Why take something if I really didn’t need, was my thinking – inline with the reasoning of method 1. Boy was I regretting not following method 2. I was about 4.5 weeks into my cycle and I remember waking up about 3am in the morning feeling like someone had lit my nipples on fire. On fire might be an understatement too, it wasn’t a little match it was a roaring bonfire. I was miserable and immediately took 1mg of Adex. Relief does not come instantly unfortunately. For about the next 2 days my nips were constantly on fire. By the 3rd and 4th days the fire was dying down and it wasn’t a good week later after a couple more doses of AI until my nips started feeling somewhat normal. The fire was gone but they were still puffy.

So my recommendation for newbs on their first cycle that don’t know their AI dose yet, is to start a low dose of AI beginning wk 4 and confirm that dosage and adjust accordingly with bloodwork taken week 6 into cycle. Better safe than sorry in my opinion. That low dose of AI is not going to crash your estro and it can save you a whole world of hurt. For future cycles you will now know your proper AI dose or if you even need one. This first cycle is a big learning experience. This is why I also wouldn’t recommend someone running dbol or another compound because this is going to affect your AI doseage also. The first thing you need to do is figure out your AI dosage for your test dosage and not monkey everything up with an additional compound.

Some people I am sure are going to keep preaching to save your AI unless high estro signs show up and there is inherently nothing wrong with that, just beware that if those estro signs show up they might not just slowly rear their ugly face giving you time to take your AI and stay comfortable. They can bite you in the ass in an instant and show up as quick as flicking a switch and show up with a vengeance. Now you are playing catch up with your AI to control the symptoms.

So what is a good starting AI dose for someone looking to do a first cycle. For arimidex I would recommend starting out at 0.25mg E3D. Adex works nicely because essentially all you need to do is take .25mg when you take your twice weekly test shots (technically I guess you would be taking the Adex E3.5D). For aromasin, 12.5mg ED seems to be a good starting dose. Don’t start off with a crazy high dose unless your bloodwork shows you need it or you will be in another whole world of hurt because of crashing your estro.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I meant noobs should be all over stuff like this bro..... the views prove not many are looking at stuff like this.

Tren post views are in the thousands............ lmfao.

true grit's picture

I knew what you meant. Problem is most people don't really care about the how's or why's. Me personally, that's all that I care about. And I know I don't know it all, by a long stretch. This entire thing that we are trying to accomplish (no matter what the physical goal) can be compared to an engine. The idea is to adjust the carb (old school) for optimum performance. These guys just want to dump as much high octane fuel as possible, even if the engine won't utilize it properly.

Unfortunately, "synergy" is looked at as how much sh*t can I stack on a cycle.
Eat, sleep, lift, and when the time is right, add just enough of what you need to accomplish your goals. That's real synergy. Problem is, most people don't actually set real goals. They just think they do.

bolt781's picture

Your reasoning is perfect brother!

Makwa's picture

Did you pull bloodwork a couple of weeks after using your AI? Normally, a couple of weeks at that low dose shouldn't crash your estro which would give you time to adjust after bloodwork.

true grit's picture

Yes, but didn't start having problems until later in the cycle. It was a long cycle and the test base was pretty low. I'm sure that both were factors. I did adjust by lengthening the adex dose intervals

zeb0312's picture

Great post and I agree. I have known a few people that have crashed there estro taking to much and it was hell on them. I start to notice if my estro starts getting low my joints hurt also.

Great post bro.

brad123's picture

Awesome post man. Thanks a lot

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I am a method 1 man ... but you knew that already! Smile

My usual combo when running any array consists of 50mg proviron per gram of test with never more than 300mg Masteron enanthate (bulking arrays only)....... when cutting, in my case it has always been for comp pre so low test is the norm and i rely on DHTs and heavy 19s for the Androgen blasting....... E2 is either really low or crashed in the latter stages ..... when i rebound nolva and letro are my trusted items.

Advanced users only........ but i thought i would drop it in here so the reader can have an insight into different methods for different goals Smile

Makwa's picture

yep, I knew you were a method 1 man

Mast seems real tricky for me. I have yet to find the dose of test that I can run with it and not crash my estro. Provi doesn't do much for estro control for me but mast seems to crash it no matter what. Now, I have only used mast during cutting cycles with end goal of crashing estro so it is not a really big deal that it happens, but I think newbs trying to use mast and provi for estro purposes are likely in for a crazy ride......Takes alot of experimenting to get that combo dialed in for the individual.....so like you said.....for advanced users only.

robxl12321's picture

Perfect post bro! I keep adex around and never had to use it but I still keep it on hand especially since I primarily run testosterone and dbol. All kinds of bad shit can happen with those two compounds... guess I'm lucky +1 my man!

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lonewolf1's picture

Nice post Makwa agree .25 every third day worked for me. I crashed mine as a rookie did .50mg every other day couldn't figure why my joints felt so bad lowered the dose to .25 every third day and within couple wks joints were back to normal. +2

j1980's picture

Another great post bud. +1 and added to my favorites.

freedom1981's picture

i asked this question for my self 1000 times when to take it ? of course before not know this is a perfect theard to be for all new members asking this question because its not easy to find an answer , but here is the answer .

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Dacky's picture

Excellent stuff brother. Thanks for posting.

Makwa's picture

Hopefully the personal experience hits home a little better.

flacidego's picture

Very well written. Nice work. Adding to my favorites.