Cruising vs PCT
Wanted to see some opinions on here about cruising/blasting versus running a cycle and then doing PCT. When I decided to take the leap and run testosterone I fully intended on running a PCT after 12 weeks. I’m about 9 weeks in right now and with my constant research I’m thinking just sticking to a low dose testosterone after my cycle might be the best route. My testosterone is normally low to begin with and I have no problem pinning for the rest of my life. I know everyone is different but I think not having the constant fluctuations of hormones on and off cycle is almost safer. What are some opinions you guys have on this? And when I do finish my 12 weeks and start a low dose of test would it be beneficial to take anything else like HCG or tamoxifen or any normal pct drugs?
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Ms WorkerBeeYou really think doctors are stupid. You really think when you come see them huge, muscular not like the rest of the poplulation, they can not make an educated guess, Now your a an insurance provider and a know it all nothing. Show me where if you are honest with your doctor you lose your insurance. Hello Opiate crisis
Ms WorkerBeeBest thing is for about 50 dollars you can take a blood test to measure your testosterone and related numbers. If at all possible go to a doctor. Doctors have heard everything. Unless it is a doctor that knows your family or you think the doctor will take away a prescription you may have that is important to you. These times and days this subject is not so taboo.. If you do get TRT then you will know for sure you are getting the real legit test.
AnonIt's a controlled substance. Drug felony to possess. You can lose your health insurance by telling the doctor. This is a well known fact on Eroids. GTFO
I had some super serious back surgery 11 years ago. Dr’s sent me home on some serious pain meds which I declined. I asked for a much less dosage of 1 of the 3 drugs. I also got a MMJ card. Fast forward I apply for a $3,000,000 life policy & got shot down . Why ? Prescribed MMJ & prescription pain meds. Took me years of lobbying the life insurance co & having my Dr’s write letters so I could go to sleep at night knowing my family was covered.
I always tell my dr what cycle I’m running but I preface the conversation with “pen down & close my file. This is a off the record talk”
He always obliges.
RustyhookerPrescribed MMJ & prescription pain meds.
Not even the same thing as telling dr about using ugl steroids. See the workerbee banned up top? Thats fir posting bad info. Youre luvky YOURS is cool. Most will not put their license career and family on the line.
Ugl is cooked on some dudes hotplate. Maybe followed with a good line of tweek to make more hours. If you imagine ugl actually is machine made sterile.....youre high.
This issue isn't losing your health insurance so much. It's that if the Dr. puts this in his files/notes it becomes part of your record (ie using a controlled substance, no prescription etc...). Now if you ever try to get life insurance and they review your files, and for decent sized policies they will, you will get nuked on this. Honestly even prescribed and fully documented TRT gave me issues and flat out rejections 5+ years ago. It's more accepted nowadays. Sad state of affairs.
RustyhookerTell your dr and permaneny lose insurance forever? Are you just the biggest retard?
I'm mid-40s and been on Dr. prescribed TRT for a decade. Wasn't out of range but at very low end for sure with high E2. TRT has made a huge difference in quality of life but of course there's a trade off. My thoughts are:
1) If you aren't looking at and have the potential to make a living from BBing and strength sports I'd treat my body right and PCT for as long as I could. At a minimum until I was done having kids. And yes I'm familiar with all the data/treatments to get fertility back.
2) Once you legitimately need TRT, go for it. I didn't think I'd be much of a candidate but made a serious improvement in my life. That said, don't think TRT is all smooth sailing. Things change over time so bloods matter and adjustments made. Tons of threads with people having all kinds of issues. At this point I'm kind of a chemical cocktail, but quality of life is WAY better. If the quality improvement wasn't so dramatic and I had decent test levels, I'd still be PCTing. Hell, I even look forward to cruise periods sometimes of just low dose weekly injections. Gives me a nice break and periods where I focus more on other areas.
I think if you are still in your 20's try and PCT each time, but I would be very surprised if after doing a third cycle you are still able to recover good testosterone levels. 30 and beyond even without using gear your natural test levels are on a good decline compared to being younger - its the one hormone that has a huge impact on the results you see in the gym. To me its all about how much your training means to you and the time you invest in it. If you also put a lot into eating right and meal prepping then why fall short on low test levels especially after cycling, so to me TRT makes a lot of sense. I was personally told by a heart doctor who did an echogram of my heart and that trained himself that the least damaging hormone/steroid to continually take of all of the them was testosterone and even came out with the line of 'test is best' himself in the hospital. BUT if you want to PCT each time because of health reasons or underlying issues you may already have then good on you and I would never discourage people from doing that.
Rustyhookervery surprised if after doing a third cycle you are still able to recover good testosterone levels
Started gear about 27. Pct til 47 with numbers well above 500. I used the llewellen pcts that i made into a forum.
I still have the 8th edition in paper. Talk about a paperweight.
To cycle gear for 20 years, PCT each time and still get good Test levels is very good, almost unheard of. However virtually everyone else I have spoken to after several cycles has low testosterone levels that have never come back fully to what they were, most were a long way off in fact. If people get bloods and can recover fully then credit to them and they should keep doing it for as long as they can
RustyhookerYessir...agree! Thats why i get enthused on a good pct program to at least fight as long as possible
Most these youngsters pop in....run a cycle then jump to trt. But how many old farts in the gym that are strong? 5% maybe?
I come off without pct or anything. Come off for 3 to 6 months without doing any gear or pct. A few time I went off for only a month but my results suck doing it that way.
RustyhookerThats the worst advice ive ever heard. No pct and complete loss of gains, emotional roller coaster...holy wow
It’s not advise it’s just what I prefer to do. I feel god but it doesn’t work for most people.
I've seen guys act macho without PCT and yes some do fine but a good percentage fuck themselves royally!
RustyhookerYou ever get bad pct items? Fail pct? Its the worst shit ever. Emotional crybaby, lose all the gains, cant fuck....
I've had a serious crash once with a bad PCT that I'm sure I was just eating fake tablets. Had the worse rollercoaster that impacted family life. Never again that's all ill say.
Minettrue, good pct is a must for me
Ahhh yes, the mournful cry of everyone here.
The same symptoms of low T can be attributed to a thousand other health problems but why bother seeing a specialist when you can use webmd?
Yes, my T is low,............ but my thyroid is nonexistent and we won't even talk about my pituitary.
AnonYour DOB is 1990...you're young bro. I'm 40ish, which is not old. I'm in great shape for any age. I did PCT up until a few years ago, then I started blasting and cruising. Because I could not bounce back like I used to after PCT. So I stopped doing PCT and started cruising between cycles. A combination of getting older/declining natrual Test levels and my history of AAS usage is what I believe resulted in me not being able to bounce back after PCT very well. I take HCG on a "as needed basis," sometimes 1 month goes by, sometimes a few months go by, and then I run HCG to get my balls and loads back to normal size.
I do not recommend blasting and cruising.
I do recommend being stocked up on everything you need or might need for a full PCT including HCG at all times. Maintain a way out. Maintain treatments for gyno, high prolactin, acne...etc be well prepared for any AAS issues.
Also, keep your nose clean and avoid getting locked up or having the law in your life. If you date a crazy bitch, never let her know you use steriods. In fact, hide your steriod usage from anyone and everyone as long as possible.
Appreciate the thoughtful reply brother
RustyhookerTrt sucks. See gregs poll
Link? Where can I see polls?
Rustyhooker@GrowMore
https://www.eroids.com/polls/do-you-prefer-cruisingblasting-or-cyclepct
Cheers bro.
How come it sucks? I just don’t want to go back to having super low test after I complete a cycle. I would understand if someone doesn’t have low T cruising but I already have natural low T
Rustyhookerdon’t want to go back to having super low test
Your answers will only be as good as your supplied info.
I already implied I had low T don’t fuck with me rusty lol
Don't mind Rusty. He gets Bitchy if he hasn't rubbed one out in the past 15 mins. Bless his heart.
RustyhookerYou know the secrets to my success...lol!
It just sucks when day after day folks pop on with no problems at all but think...hey i can go trt and cycle gear all year. Ummm...til tgat massive heart attack or stroke like last weeks pro bodybuilder.
This is true. Plus I get tired of pinning every damn week due to trt. Early 30's and my test levels at 160 and never touched gear at all before then.
RustyhookerOh hell. I remember 2 yrs back when i had to start trt. Couldnt focus, tired, just blah. You got a lotta years left of pin slave :(
AnonIt's hard to maintain my post apocalyptic fantasies. How am I gonna be pinning 2x a week and fighting zombies? I guess I would just have to carry around a bunch of Test and pins while traveling the waste land looking for clean water to drink and feral cats to eat.
When you said you ate pussy previously, I had a whole different thought of what you meant.
Anonlol I hope I haven't eaten the four legged kind with a tail yet. But who knows, I sometimes eat lunch at taco trucks and there's just really no telling.
I'm about to embrace my moody bitchy-ness when off TRT and be the best girlfriend my wife ever had.
RustyhookerOff trt mine calls me her bff gf. The mental fog was the part i didnt enjoy. Lol
You clearing out for a bit?
RustyhookerDo i look like a mind reader. If i fuck with you...its $2.99 a minute. Lol
That said....do you need others to ok you choices or are you man in charge? If youre above 300 off cycle thats your choice. I think trt sucks. It takes the fun of pinning a cycle away. Its a constant. With serious lashes if you error.
Add a pole: https://www.eroids.com/node/add/poll
That said. Cruising is frowned upon
Okay I’ll start one up. But is it frowned upon even if your testosterone is normally low?
TricepatopsDo Pct and then after 8 weeks get test checked and find out where levels are at. If they are low go to your doctor and see what he says and if you get it prescribed or not. TRT is not fun and isn't always the greatest. But don't self medicate or do TRT on own.