posted Fri, 12/06/2024 - 20:04
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Blast and cruise or pct at age 37
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I've done many cycles over the past 10 years. I'm just your average gym bro at 6' 220 pounds. Working out since I've been 15 and have been in the gym ever since. I have always just blast and pct. I've never done anything other than test at 500mgs and anavar here and there.
I am now approaching age 37 and have had our kids. Would you recommend just blast and cruise year round with test? I have grown tired of the pct blues and losing sometimes everything on a rough recovery. I regularly get bloods done and checked.
The only downsides I can see is :
- pinning 2x a week basically forever
- taking long vacations on a flight and not having prescription
What would your I put be for a someone who's serious about the gym but not a competitor? TIA
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There was a boob on YouTube whose motto was “everything every day”, I think Chase Irons is his name? Some drugs need that, there’s science to microdosing, but this whistledick was pinning drugs like deca and EQ daily? Deca? Why in the actual fuck would anyone do that?
Haven’t seen it! I take everything from YouTube dudes with a HUGE grain of salt. I liked early MPMD videos as he went at stuff from a largely pharmacological view.
Most of them are there for attention or to make money end of the day
MPMD seriously fell off. It's just the same podcast clips over and over of him talking to Peter Attia and other painfully boring people.
Yep. Haven’t watched in probably 4 years now. He started putting money first and backed/starting collaborating with some guys that were questionable.
Hell the Leo and Longevity guy he loved got murdered in Thailand for allegedly roughing up a hooker
The MPMD-Leo-Tony Huge-Ryan Russo-Connor Murphy connections are so shady and gross and weird. Especially when you consider that the latter all push SARMS nonstop while secretly not using them and just running gear instead.
Edit: Russo actually did use SARMS but he's...something of a co-collaborator/victim. It's complicated
You mean I shouldn’t be drinking other men’s semen?!?
This video made me want to shoot myself.
Ha! The fact that I shoot less than an eyedropper full would make that goblet a years long challenge for me to fill…
The faces they're making in the thumbnail, I'm gonna be sick. What the fuck is this?
Like they know EVERY single other time he’s taking it directly from the tap LOL!
From likeable geeky demigod to bisexual mentally ill SARM peddling freak. How the mighty have fallen.
I should start one. “Drexyl’s Day”. Just a vlog of the typical shit I deal with in a day. Believe me, it’d be interesting.
I thought about setting up a dashcam and posting all the dumb shit I see driving.
I live in a college town now… you have no idea lol!
If you don’t have a dash cam in todays world you’re just putting yourself at risk honestly
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't standard protocol of long esters to inject every 3.5 days/2x a week to keep bloods nice and stable? Or have I been living under a rock the past decade.
anvilI pin 2x a week on a cruise. Just like you originally said.
Think of Injecting the same as taking a turd, it can be tedious and a little time consuming - but unfortunately its one of those things that's got to be done.
& sometimes the really nice ones are even a little enjoyable- LOL!
The Ghosters!!!
Ghost wipes are primo. Marker wipes are the worst, wiping for an eternity.
I would just suggest getting accurate baseline bloodwork done, a few months of no drugs whatsoever. Go from there. If you’re below 400 I’d do TRT with a 2 or 3 bumps a year with something else added. When I hear guys say cruise they’re usually talking 250mg or so year round, that’s asking for problems. Keeping a test level of 1,000 can even be reasonable, but 1,500-1,800 year round with blasts? Absolutely not. As far as HCG, it definitely works while you’re on it, if your balls stay turned back on, well, you’ll find out. Testosterone definitely shrinks your balls, I have proof.
Appreciate your input! If you don't mind me asking since I've seen you post a lot on here, what would you consider ideal test range cruising @150mg wk and what's your ideal range when blasting 500mg of test only?
Blast: 500mgs around +/- 3000ng/dl?
Cruise: 150mg around 750- 1,000ng/dl?
I'm trying to gather as much input and sources before starting. As I'll obviously be buying the bulk of my gear from ugl.
@Drexyl keeps saying to use blood tests because 75mg a week puts me at 850 and all my markers are on point. Thats TRT. Run some hgh per your blood tests and with diet/gym done properly youre not losing mass. Only the glycogen load which of course will drop. @barrymcockiner
Yep. It’s crazy how different we all are. Takes 120mg to get me in the same range and it varies 700-900 depending on other medications/lifestyle at the time.
Even with purely trt ranges some guys will still get RBC/hemat spikes and be forced to donate or supplement too
Awesome. Thanks for the info!
My friend, I’m always here to help where I can. Ultimately your bloodwork is going to dictate everything. For me 125mg a week is just right. It pushes the upper limits of my markers, but I stay within range. Keep in mind that there’s flexibility in those ranges. Now 125mg for you may not be enough, or it may raise your RBC and corpuscular values to unhealthy limits, but again we’re all different. I feel better when my hematocrit is in the upper limits, I just have more lasting energy. But to keep it to a yes or no answer, your proposal of 150mg a week for cruise and 500mg a week for a blast is well within reason. Shit, the clinics are pushing more than that. If you pay attention to my reviews and src friends, you’ll see which sources I prefer. Not saying you have to go with them, but I wouldn’t continue using any source that’s sent me bad product. Welcome aboard, above everything else, keep it fun and enjoyable, otherwise what’s the point?
I appreciate you. Pretty sure we have the same src as I've seen. Getting bloods draw this week and should start this b and c journey shortly.
One last question for you since I know you're a veteran at all this. I used to just get a general lab panel from privatemedlabs, do you recommend a certain panel or create a custom panel of certain things to track in bloodwork? I'm sure someone out there has already typed a list up on the important things you want on a panel. The most comprehensive panels from labs seem pretty high in cost.
I always say as much as your wallet allows, getting as much done as possible will alert you to other issues not related to steroid usage. Depending on your age and family history, I’d recommend a PSA test in addition to the CBC and hormonal panel at the minimum. BUN, calcium, even a coagulation panel won’t hurt after someone’s first significant cycle. When it comes to testing and diagnostics, never think less is more, more is more.
Edit- I’m not a veteran lol, I’m just Drex.
I agree with coagulation panel.
You're the man. I appreciate you input!
Is pinning 2x per week really a downside? It becomes normal, like taking a piss.
Man for some reason it's something I've always disliked doing and never gets any easier for me. Call me a bitch I guess. Maybe it will if I stay on year round.
He didn’t, so I will. Bitch. Lol!
On a real note WHAT are you pinning with that it is that difficult for you?
I will use the 29/30’s for all SubQ and small muscles shallow IM (under 0.3CC)
Use 27/25 1” everywhere else except glutes depending on oil thickness
Use 27/25 1 1/2” for glutes and occasionally quads if 3CC+.
Occasionally use a 23g 1” if using suspension that clogs easily.
Obviously there is no 100% correct way a lot is preference, but I hope seeing how small the pins are that a lot of us use effectively years on end makes the process a little bit easier for you.
Always here if you have any questions!
25g 1" on delts and quads
25g 1.5" glutes.
Needles and I have never gotten along. Blood work and pinning have always made me uneasy. Yet I can fall asleep getting a tattoo as I am covered in them.
You can use 27g x ⅝ slin pin for delts and quads if using 1ml or less. Just back load.
Going to be shallow IM at 5/8” even at low BF. Can I ask why you choose 27g if using that short? Why not make it completely painless with a 29/30/31 if going shallow anyways
Really wouldn’t recommend for anything over 0.5cc as leakage and abscess risk goes way up, but to each their own!
I was surprised to read your comment. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts in my subforum.
Here it will look like an off-topic.
Move to a 27g 1” and 1 1/2”. That feels like nothing. If that is too much try slin pins. Most gear in MCT can go smooth shallow IM with a 5/8” if you’re lean.
Make sure you are warming your gear in a heating pad or similar and kiss the vial or barrel to test the temp like a baby bottle- you want warm not hot. Makes injections almost therapeutic.
Oh man pinning will come just like tats before too long. Bloods I’m with you. I cannot do anything IV I had a terrible vasovagal nervous system response and pass out EVERY single time a needle/catheter is inserted into my vein. Every. Single. Time.
Was like you for the first year or so of pinning. 10 years later it’s like brushing my teeth.
I thought about trying 27g but man it takes long enough with a 25g even warming the oil. I used to use 23g for many of my first cycles, which is probably why in my head I hate it so much, ha. I'll order box of 27g since they're cheap and give it a try! Thanks dude.
I fuck with the 27g hard. I'll never use anything else again. 1 inch though. Don't matter where. @crazydoser actually posted something yesterday about injections. He made really good points as how the old 22 or 23g 1 1/2 inch is out dated for oil of old that was thick like castor oil. He went on to say how ugl employ more forward solutions that pharma isn't using yet. That how some oil now is so thin you can draw with insulin syringe no problem he wasn't even saying to use a29g insulin syringe that wasn't even an inch. Saying how the oil doesn't leave knots and disperses easy in the muscle so there's no need to go so deep. And honestly i agree. I used a 30g luer lock 5/8 long. For me that was too thin cuz pushing 3cc through its just to much but i can see how someone doing 1ml may prefer that. But IMO the 27g is just as smooth going in as a 30g and oil goes through same speed as 25g so it's best of both worlds. And if i was doing 1ml shots I'd use 1/2 inch.
I actually just went ahead and copied the post @crazydoser posted yesterday. Here it is.
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A short guide to injections for a beginner.
If you are a beginner and the volume of your injections does not exceed 1 CC at a time and you use modern injection products with soft and fluid oil carriers, then most of the classic recommendations will be useless for you. And for those who are not used to doing injections on their own, such recommendations will be a hindrance.
The classic recommendations for injecting oil solutions (long needles, syringes with a volume of 2-5 cubes or more, deep injection exclusively into the gluteus muscle, etc.) are not the rule for you.
These recommendations were appropriate for injections of a tangible volume (from 2 to 5 or more cubes) at a time when using rigid oil carriers with a reduced level of fluidity.
First of all, forget about needle phobia. The amount of oil solution that you inject allows you to use insulin syringes with 29G needles. Such a needle will not be able to scare even a child. It is not difficult to make an injection with such a needle, there are practically no pain sensations. You can use such needles throughout the entire cycle without any consequences for your nervous system. All you need is a 29G insulin syringe (0.33mm x 12.7mm) and a good injection product with a soft and fluid oil carrier.
A few tips :
Choose a confirmed manufacturer of injection products for your cycle.
- when choosing unlicensed products, check the manufacturer : its long history on the market and the lack of regular negative reviews will be a good sign. Do not be lazy to search for information about manufacturers, it is publicly available.
- always avoid home brew products
- give priority to pharma grade products if you have the opportunity to purchase them. But be reasonable about their choice. Currently, manufacturers of unlicensed drugs are often ahead of official pharmaceutical brands in the development of oil carriers.
The choice of the drug.
- pay attention to the availability of information about the composition of the oil carrier
- do not be afraid to use injections containing ethyl oleate * EO
- do not use drugs containing peanut butter if you are an ethnic American and you have had symptoms of a specific allergy in the past
- avoid products containing guaiacol
- If you are a novice user, then use various testosterone esters as the basis of your cycle
- do not use harsh drugs for the first cycles that significantly suppress your glands : trenbolone and nandrolone
- do not use complex stacks of 3 or more injectable drugs, most likely the side effects will not give you the opportunity to successfully administer the cycle
- do not try to use insulin syringes to inject aqueous suspensions
Equipment
- use any 1 ml insulin syringes (with any scale of 40 IU or 100 IU) with a needle length of at least 12.7 mm for two-component (with a non-removable needle) syringes and three-component (with a removable needle) syringes.
- either (if your three-component syringes are supplied with too short needles of 8 mm or less) purchase additional needles 29G (0.33 mm x 12.7 mm) or dental needles 27G (0.40 mm x 25 mm - 40 mm). This is a great replacement for too short insulin needles.
Injection site
- inject the drug into any large muscles, but avoid places with a noticeably large layer of subcutaneous fat. Remember, we do intramuscular, not subcutaneous injection and this is an important condition.
- use shoulders, hips (upper and middle part), trapezoids, pectoral for injection (if you do not have a pronounced pain syndrome).
- Never use biceps, forearms, or shins for injections.
Pre-treatment
- try to use antiseptic solutions according to their application time (2-3 minutes of continuous treatment of the injection site)
- use disposable alcohol wipes, or napkins, cotton pads and tampons together with an alcohol solution (ethyl alcohol content of at least 70%), chlorhexidine and miramistin.
About extreme people
- do not reuse the needles. I'm not going to talk about antiseptic rules right now. Think about this: even with a single injection, the needle loses the sharpness of sharpening. The second injection will always be more painful. Is it worth exposing yourself to unpleasant sensations? There are enough reasons to be upset in life as it is.
A reasonable approach
- purchase the necessary products, equipment and antiseptics in full accordance with the planned cycle before it begins
- Keep a pack of antibiotics and AI (aromatase inhibitor) handy in case something goes wrong.
- alternate injection sites regularly
- try to get as much information as possible about the proper planning and administration of the cycle before it starts.
Yeah he was wrong with most of those points. He said slin pins for everyone lol. Thats shallow IM even at 3% BF. 1”-1&1/2” is 100000% better for more oil and been studied time and time again.
Took me a lot not to go correct him and provide studies because 99% of these dudes never link clinical trials or anything related, but I know ill get jumped on because its a SRC.
Guys like that will always try to re-invent the wheel, but anatomy and physiology of the human body doesn’t change. Can only get oils so deep despite the carrier oil.
Eeeshhh haven’t seen castor in forever except vet! All my pharma has been Sesame, GSO, cottonseed, or MCT.
Most compounding pharmacies we will mix whatever you want if you can get your doc to write it on the script.
Overall point I agree though 27g 1” is sufficient and easy for most dudes. Would never recommend a full cycle on slin pins, but get what he was going for making it seem less scary.
Yeah I'm done with anything longer than 1" I'll pass and anything thinner just goes through too slow
anvilIt's a personal choice, but even as a gym bro Everytime you put you have time period where you aren't making progress. Blasting and cruising for the best results of course that's the way to go, if you aren't worried about gains, then you can pct. I do not. I don't like the hormonal roller coaster. If you are serious, which seems like you are, there is only one choice.
Something I've never understood when guys consider doing TRT. When you are on normal TRT protocol you magically have the peak hormone testosterone levels of an 18 to 21 yr old again, these hormone levels dictate your progress level in the gym so play a MASSIVE factor in it all. If you aren't on TRT you have pretty crap test levels past 35. If all you have to do is 1 or 2 injections per week for that, taking into account working out plays a big part in your life supposedly - then what is all the fuss about? I mean Christ - what in the world do these guys act like when they have to do something exertive like mow the lawn??!!
anvilYeah I mean I can understand the unpleasant thoughts of jab ing, as I hate needles to but I the easy part of all this is injections, the dedication to the gym, food and protocols is the part that is must difficult for sum. Myself, I'm on a roll, I love the gym, my diet is on point and I'm 6 weeks in of an 8 weeks cruise.
Take it easy man. Needles and bloodwork have always just made me uneasy. Yes I've done them both hundreds of times. Just not the biggest fan of it and obviously I'm willing to because I've done pwnty of cycles. Just pointing out the fact that trt and pinning every week is a downside for me personally but yet gain so much from it. Relaaaaax my guy.
It’s exactly this, fear mongering by the machine. Look, let’s say normal TRT shaves a few years off of your life (the opposite is true, low levels are worse) would you rather live till 85 and the last 15 to 20 are miserable, or have 80 energetic years? Keep in mind, the machine doesn’t want everyone healthy, it wants you on THEIR drugs.
”The Machine”
You are 100% right. Look who owns and controls everything from the political cabinets to medical manufacturers. It’s quite concerning but most just don’t bat an eye until it hurts them personally…
They want us on their drugs and thinking this stuff is normal. They want us fighting & hating ourselves.
I have a feeling you may think similarly with that arsenal you’re building up
I would choose Happiness over anything buddy, if you live in a state of happiness and contentment then nothing can beat that. You can't ask for more than that
Do you do anything like HcG or Nolva to try to keep natural test generating or is it you are ok with letting it go? I wonder about having kids/fertility in the future because of cruising for so long.
anvilI am done having kids but I did have my son on gear. I don't use nolva, I have used HCG for testicle size. You can recover even after 10 or more years but it is induvial, I mean Vigorous Steve got his fertility above normal after 10 years.