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Im currently cutting down to 10% bodyfat and ill be there or lower by June but after a short maintenance phase I was thinking of starting a mild cycle just to see how it goes. For context I have been on trt for a year (150 test C weekly), I have done exhaustive research and am very aware of what the literature says about most of the substances and ancillary products (it just doesnt replace experience, of which i have little), my diet is super dialed in for cutting and or bulking, and I train with high volume 6 days a week as hard as I can recover from.
My plan is to titrate up to around 300 test, 200 npp, and I also thought caber and anastrazol to be safe. I get blood tests fairly regularly and I am confident this will put me in a very mild cycle somewhere in the 17-1800ng/dl range. Im hesitant to go higher than that because while I want to grow, I cant reconcile how exponentially the health risks pile on at higher levels. I love the idea of increasing recovery capacity and seeing more rapid gains though so some risk is obviously there, but hopefully I can mitigate that.
If it goes well and things stay manageable I would be open to pushing further. Maybe even tren one day lol.
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Thats the situation, I just heard about eroids.com for the first time last week and have been reading a lot but I thought just asking may provide more feedback. Im totally open to any criticisms you may have. I just want to learn from the experience that books and papers cant provide. Thank You!
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Personally mate I would just go for around 400mg/wk Test E by itself at first, then you can judge whether you need to take any anti estrogen or not - if you throw in NPP at the same time then you won't be too sure where you are with things if problems arise or need sorting out. When you are running Test by itself then it can only be that that's causing the problems. NPP at that low dose is also unlikely to need caber btw.
Agreed.
THATS what im talking about bro! See, that makes a ton of sense. I think part of me just wanted to feel like I was "on gear". At what point does it become necessary or even just make more sense to use other stuff? I get that the base of all of them is test but since npp is roughly 25% more anabolic and almost 65% less androgenic I thought it would increase the affect without increasing the sides. I know that doesnt translate linearly as dosage increases but that was my thinking
I am with Press on this one as well. Do 400mg of Test only first cycle and see what your body does. You can make significant gains with Testosterone only.
A Good rule of thumb is... Less is More. You want to use the least amount of gear for the most gains.
100% agree. But ill pose the same question to you. At what point does it become necessary or even just make more sense to use other stuff?
It makes more sense to use other stuff after you have built a base of muscle from Testosterone alone. So you doing TRT always on Test and then increasing the Test for a first cycle is good. Get the gains and then after you do, you do your best to hold those gains then the next cycle you can throw in another compound to give a little more boost.
You will always use Testosterone though as a base in every cycle you do, never take other compounds without testosterone.
Interesting. I have never heard that. So this is just a question out of ignorance and curiosity. So with something like tren being 5x as anabolic and adrogenic you would still take that with test? Also when you say "do your best to hold those gains" I have read something about that but it was in reference to how some compounds will make you appear bigger because you hold more water while on them so when you come off or drop dosage you shed the water and appear smaller. What would cause you to lose muscle tissue in between cycles? I understand after a fat loss phase you have to maintain a few weeks to kind of solidify the loss before you go into a surplus but that is more for your brain than it is your actual body. Other than the negligible losses from a defecit, what would cause muscle loss after a cycle?
Yes you would still take Tren with Test the reason why you take test is because all of these compounds suppresses your body's natural testosterone production. Testosterone aromatase to estrogen and you need estrogen to build muscle.
To make this short there is lots of details but Muscle is a burden to your body. It requires lots of nutrients to maintain, so if your body can get away with less muscle it will do so by breaking muscle down. Steroids help build muscle by increasing glycogen, nitrogen, more blood cells exc.. when those are stopped your body loses that and goes into a negative state thus breaking down muscle tissue because again it is expensive for the body to maintain.
That all makes perfect sense. I understand the principals fundamentally but its a lot to keep up with. Whats the rate of muscle breakdown? Maybe not in perfect numbers necessarily but let's say you go crazy and you gain 10lbs of muscle on a cycle how much could you reasonably expect to keep? Without the extra boost you should still be able to lift with the same intensity just without the rapid growth. Is there anything else that needs to be done other than continued consistent lifting or is there more to it because of the drop in overall test post cycle? And how do you know you've recovered enough to cycle again?
I dont know exact numbers but you will notice it in a couple weeks. I will say that you will lose most of it because again you do not have the steroids giving you that boost of nutrients so the body says get rid of it, it costs to much to maintain.
You know when you can cycle again by doing bloodwork and when you are back to normal then you can start again. General rule of thumb is if you are going to cycle then the same amount of time you blast, is the same amount of time you stay off. 3 months on 3 months off. Most of us into body building never get off of test we cruise and blast its a life time commitment. Cycling is only if you want to go back to natural production.
Most of it?! Thats insane! Is cruising, to you, like trt level or a bit higher? I was super overweight and it destroyed my natural test production so I will be on trt for probably the rest of my life anyway.
Wow...that is shocking. It makes sense and I suppose thats why it really only makes sense for bodybuilding/strength athletes. So is a "mild cycle" even worth the time? I love bodybuilding but I will never compete. I just wanna be as jacked as possible but if I cant maintain it even from hard training then what's the point? I have goals and reasons to push harder and get bigger but none of them are competitive in nature.
Its funny you say that brother because i was actually really hoping you'd pop in here. Ive read so many of your conversations lol. Youre like a wise sage around here.
To answer your question....yes actually. Everything reads like as soon as you step over the line you end up with huge tits, liver failure, and 5 types of cancer. Is that a solid plan? Is there room for adjustment or alteration? Once I dip my toes in and see its not as bad as I thought then ill probably be more willing to experiment more. But if the plan is lacking and either does nothing or puts me in the hospital someone like you would be much more able to predict something like that
Ur probably hoping I'd pop in too. Admit it.
Ya know whether or not I was hoping for it, I had a feeling you would. Lol a conversation with press would be incomplete without an appearance from Mr.Pounder
Its alright mate - Just call him a 'Right Plonker' if you don't like him, many don't LMAO
Do you need reassuring mate?