Am I doing something wrong?
So I used to be the kinda guy who if something didnt work i would just take more until I threw up, passed out, or went on a never ending journey lol these days im a bit more conservative but im wondering what your thoughts are here.
I am cutting right now, im working out hard, and im definitely getting leaner but it just feels like the journey from 13/14% to 9% is not the same as it is from 20%-15%. I just weighed in today at 166lbs which was where I expected to hit 10% but im absolutely not. I have only been doing this for 2 weeks so far but i have been taking reta 3mg once a week, 270 test c a week and 200 mast a week both pinned together eod. I just got some anavar (20mg a day) and maybe that'll help but the bottom line is am I worrying about this too early? I have never in my life been 166lbs. As a baby I was 168lbs (true story) so this is just very new territory for me and im wondering if adjustments should be made, if im just not taking enough, or if I should just keep riding the wave? This is my first cycle of any kind so I just dont know.
Also, unrelated, I took test base for the first time this morning and felt....absolutely nothing...I heard it can be subtle when its suspended in oil but I just thought id ask.
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What did you expect to feel from the test base?
Im sorry but I didnt get enough information to understand what your goals are, your stats, what youre even asking.
This is your first cycle and youre using all these different compounds? Youve only been running it for two weeks?
I cant tell if youre trolling us or youre serious. If youre serious, id just stick with one compound bc using all these new things at once... you have no idea what youre doing. Id learn about what youre doing first and then start.
I understand and respect that perspective. It really doesn't feel like i'm on all that much. I've been on Trt for over a year and all I've done is increase the dosage from 150 a week to 270 test c a week Add 200 mast weekly and 20mg anavar daily. It felt fairly conservative. I tried test base as a pre-workout, hoping for increases in strength and aggression but i also adjusted my test c dose to not add more overall test for the week. To a certain extent, I really don't know what I'm doing as research and literature can only take so far, and it requires the experience of others to learn the reality which is what led me to eroids. I have read just about everything I could find on the subjects but it isnt as clear about these things as you might expect. But based on the resounding advice of others. I know what I must now do. Although anything you'd like to add would still be worthwhile
I wouldn’t cut unless I was over 200 but that’s just me. That’s on the mandatory minimum. I know it’s not everyone’s goal to be huge but fuck we are on a steroid site. My point being, yes this game is a marathon not a race.
I would think less about more drugs an maybe look at your diet. Maybe some extra cardio or steps. Last thing we want is to stress the body with more compounds an high doses. Learned that the hard way with tren. 300-500mg sounds fucking nice but 100ng does perfectly fine without all the sides and inflammation. My point being less isn’t always more. Take it slow, enjoy the ride. LISTEN to your body. Be smart
You. Are what we like to call victim weight my friend
...explain yourself...I am unfamiliar with this term
166 pounds at 5’11 brother. I’d be fucking eating everything in sight. No reason a guy your height, taking gear should weigh so little. Hence, victim weight. For example I’m 5’6 227 right now at 16%-17% bf.. cut the Reta right out and go for a solid recomp
Oh dang like im a victims size...fuck...lol so the answer is yes....I am doing something wrong. Fair enough.
Mate I have to ask, if you are 166lb's and stand 5'11 what the hell are you doing cutting?
I would have thought you want to be getting to a Strong 220lb's at that kind of height, then cutting a little maybe down to 210lb's if you want to be lean?
I feel that you are holding onto Old memories/nightmares of being Overweight and are extremely paranoid about going back to looking like that again - so you have become obsessional about this. For most people on here who are 5'6 - minimum fighting bodyweight of both muscle mass and a small amount of bodyfat is 175lbs and thats for someone short. I am only 5'8 and I absolutely would NEVER want to dip below 200 again because I feel tiny.
Im not happy about being 166 believe me. I really thought id end up there AND be 9% bf but im still not. My plan was to get super lean and the stay pretty shredded year round while packing on muscle. But the more i lose weight the more i start to wonder if im fucking something up. The goal is not to lose weight...I just wanted to loose fat. I wanted to be veiny, and well defined just once. And like I said before. Im very happy with my arms, shoulders, traps/back, my chest is ok, but my stomach drives me insane. I know the excess skin will prevent it from looking absolutely insane but its not THAT much excess so I was hoping for at least some more definition. Im not over here with a cape flapping from my torso
Buddy I'm no Bodybuilding enthusiast, but I'm pretty sure its impossible to stay around 9 or 10% Bodyfat and bulk at the same time. Stop caring about what bodyfat you are, as long as you aren't a fat fuck it doesn't really matter. To put muscle and bulk on you HAVE to be consuming tonnes of extra carbs to fuel the muscle building, its inevitable there will be a little fat gain there. Hell most guys look better for that anyway. To be 9% bodyfat and maintain that constantly from what I see is near on impossible, unless you are eating rabbit food and chicken all day long which is gonna make you feel miserable in itself. Its akin to a Powerlifter wanting to remain at peak strength everyday - it simply isn't sustainable and doesn't happen. You need to single out other guys on here who are around your height and hovver around 220lb's then ask them what their daily meals consist of and gear etc. Test E also takes 3 weeks to peak in the bloodstream so you haven't even got your toes in the water yet. If you want to Bulk properly you need to be looking at 500mg Test per week and some NPP. Cut this Reta crap out too and start gaining some proper muscle mate
Maybe I misspoke. I wanted to bounce between 10 and 15%. So diet down to 10% bulk to 15% stay fairly lean year round. My meals are...fairly..restrictive lol but im so used to it that I dont think about it. I get 225g of protien, 1700ish calories. But ok ok! You've made your point. Ive been called obsessive many times but I just had a goal in mind. I wanna be 180-200+lbs lean and ive just been concerned that if I dont start at a lower enough bf% then ill just look fat, which...to your point...freaks me out a bit lol
You can't seriously be telling me that some Cocksucker has told you that you are still too fat at 166lb's and you need to be leaner before you bulk up? You should of stopped cutting once you reached 190 to 200lb's and then begun bulking and gaining muscle mate. You've overshot things ...
Oh I will tell you with confidence that this was all my own doing. Part of what made it such an insane weight loss is I am very goal and task oriented. The task was 10% body fat and not meeting that goal was simply not an option so I just kept going until. But at 166 I expected to be freaky lookin. And then I could say ok thats done now time to move to maintaining and then a bulk. Im starting to think Pounder was onto something when he said my body wont allow any further cutting. I thought that may happen but I think ive just ignored the signs. Having a flat stomach appeals to me, being 300lbs dude...I never ever thought id be thinking about being 13% bf so it just feels like progress. But like I said, I got the message. This is done, time to move on. Ive been itching to increase volume anyway. I will get to 9% one day but today just isnt my day i suppose
Word slut
Its a lot right? If it wasn't so helpful it would be annoying --
No I meant "word, slut" like I agree.
Listen to @press1 lol. Dudes as old and wise as time itself
Mate I'm not in the mood to be molly coddling you tonight - I'm telling you straight how it is LOL
Bro...who the fuck is Molly Coddling?? What does she have to do with any of this??! Also...I got it, youre right...im gonna do it. Jeeze.. these Brits are something else I tell ya....
Mollycoddling means to treat someone with excessive care, overprotection, or indulgence, to the point where it prevents them from developing independence or facing the realities of life.
Did you make that up, press? Be honest?
HAHAHA Your challenge now is to find someone on here and use it in a comment Milky ....
Yes, "mollycoddling" is an English idiom. It means to overprotect, fuss over, or excessively pamper someone.
Here is the breakdown of its origins and use:British
Origins: The word first appeared in England in the 1830s. It is a combination of "Molly" (a nickname for Mary) and "coddle" (a culinary term for boiling something gently, which later meant to treat with extreme care).
Evolution: Originally, a "mollycoddle" was a noun—a derogatory, old-fashioned term for a man or boy deemed effeminate or a "wimp".
Today, it is used more commonly as a verb, though you will still hear the present participle "mollycoddling" across the globe in.
Current Use: While widely understood in American English, it is deeply embedded in British vocabulary and is still found frequently in UK news and parliamentary debates
Challenge accepted
Learn something new everyday… modern American men are “mollycoddled”
LMAO Is that not a term over in the States then?
My new name for you is Chris Kyle .....
Wish you’d Molly coddle me. Or at the very least send butthole pics
Gonna "Molly throttle" some asshole
Bro take a breath and relax it has only been 2 weeks and the testosterone hasn't even kicked in all the way but I can say this if this is your first cycle you should only be using testosterone in case you get into trouble now if you get into trouble and you have two or three compounds in you which one is it coming from you might end up having to quit all three
I appreciate that brother. I am chill. So i have been on trt for over a year now and I only upped it by 125mgs weekly. You are right to question it. My thought was I want to get super lean before I maintain for a bit and then bulk. For the bulk I was only gonna use test and the cut was only supposed to last 6 weeks sobif everything goes according to plan ill only be riding this train for another 4 so its definitely a risk but I was crossing my fingers I could skate by side free.
166lbs @5'11" seems to say you don't have much muscle to "preserve" and using a bunch of gear in a deficit is used for just that.
If you're in the neighborhood of 10-13% then you're plenty lean enough to lean bulk or run in a slight surplus for a while. At least then the mast and test and anavar would have a chance to help you pack some mass on. Otherwise you're just wasting it.
Dieting down and getting vascular with muscle separation and visible striations is kind of like a reveal as you lean out, but if you don't have anything to reveal then you will just get skinny..
I understand the hesitation to add more food in when your goal is to get lean. It's scary, but if you are smart and disciplined about how you approach it, it's possible to maintain a low bf and gain at a decent clip. Esp on gear. But you gotta eat. And be patient. Track things in weeks, not days.
Youre not wrong. I got a scan back in January that indicated I retained most of my muscle from being fat (I can look up the numbers) My arms look great, my back muscles and shoulders are visibly separated. My quads have definitely gotten smaller but I had to decrease leg volume because it was just massively fatiguing in a cut. My calves are kinda crazy though (for me) I think the thing thats distorting my perception is ...-sigh-...loose skin on my stomach. Being fat took its toll and it just is what it is, but im starting to see abs. God ...you guys all see right fucking through me. The fact that you can take my height and weight and correctly assume that im weak....dammit man. So you think its should stop trying to get leaner?
I think you should start looking at things more like a "recomp" or "lean bulk" then a hard cut.
At some point your body will not be willing to cut anymore. Coming from 300+ pounds to where you are is fucking huge. HUGE.
Do some homework (AI is great for this) on what macros you'd need to maintain or lean gain. Add em in slow and start tracking the mirror and measurements as you go. Work hard and keep it clean and it will pay off.
Okay thanks for informing me you've been on trt so that changes a little bit.
But to cut that much in 6 weeks is not good try pushing it 10 or 12 weeks on the cut you can friend request me so if you have any questions for me you could message me directly
So ive actually been cutting since January lol. I took a few weeks of diet break before the final 6 weeks. Im around 13-14% bf. My initial goal was 15% but when I realized I could go further i decided on 9% I am still rapidly loosing weight, working out 6 times a week. I just wanted to give myself a bit of an edge. I used to be a fat fuck at 310lbs 4 years ago. 166lbs...its just super new fuckin territory. I can lose weight but getting leaner like this is just completely foreign to me. It feels a lot like sex for the first time, fun, uncomfortable and filled with "am i doing this right??"
Fuck man if you lost that much weight you are DEFINITELY doing something right. Jesus.
Congrats.
Dude it was a fucking grind. I would say it took me 2.5 full years to lose it all, then the better part of a year of fucking off getting back up to around 215, and then getting back on track. I would go into more but trust me when I say im good now and it wont happen again. Diet for weight loss is an area I specialize in at this point but getting leaner is just...different. but a lean bulk....thats interesting ive never heard that term before.
I'll be starting my cycle in 2 weeks an I'm doing a lean bulk
Oh make sure you get blood work done
Hey bro congratulations on your journey it's a inspiration for many to go from 310 lb to 166 lb even if it took 4 years that's dedication bro but just like milf said if you eat a little more and build some muscle it'll lean you out also just do a lean bulk
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If it’s only been 2 weeks, yeah man you need to keep going it takes time. Also the more you workout and put on muscle the more lean you will become.
Generally that would be my approach but like I said, ive just never been this lean and general fat loss is super quick so I expected bf% to drop just as fast. I wanted to keep the dose low to moderate but I wanna make sure its also...ya know..enough lol
At what bf% do things start to get freaky lookin?
If you can get 10% or below it’s usually pretty freaky looking.
Boom, knew it.
The the mount of muscle you have currently, you won’t be freaky looking brother
Lol not to you or the rest of the world. But when you've been as fat as long as I have its pretty wild to see yourself so different. I do understand what youre saying I just meant vascular/defined. I know it seems like everyone has this image of me in their head but even at 166 im still a bigger guy.. not compared to most of yall but the general public is constantly asking me what im doing, how much im lifting, what my diet consists of. I wish I could snap a photo and dispell this issue.
Depends on how much muscle you have