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First Real Cycle How should I proceed??

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Hi everyone,

I have been interested as eventually all gym goers are in starting my first cycle. My gym partner is enhanced and frankly having 10% of his body would be amazing. I am 30 years old 5'11 and 195lbs. I hover around 18% to 19% bodyfat. Here is my dilemma, I started training around 16 and proceeded to fall off for a few years. In my mid 20s I started up again and saw great progress but no matter how good my diet is and how hard I put the work in the gym my body just won't look the way I want it. I have watched every video to man and over the past 5 years I have done keto, high protein, Mediterranean and frankly watching my macros has been the best. I get around 150 grams of protein a day and its mostly from whole foods and protein powder. I weight train 5 to 6 times a week and do HITT cardio twice a week. This has been my go-to for 5 years. My friend has been enhanced for 7 years now and has been super helpful but always good to get the community's help.

However, with all the dieting and exercise in the world. My body won't lose the fat! I still have a gut and my muscles are strong and I am by no means out of shape. It just frustrating with how much work I put in and just can't seem to get the results. My friend has suggested I do an Anavar only cycle if I have my heart set on it. He also suggested I do a tamoxofin PCT afterwards.

I guess what I am asking is if I should proceed with the Anavar cycle? what can I expect from the cycle? And should I run a test base? I am thinking 20mg for 6 weeks and then the PCT. My test came in at 653.

Tricepking's picture

Your friend is an idiot. Sorry . Effort you put in depend on goals . Lean or bulky… if you have a gut then steroids aren’t your solution . Cardio and high reps and diet . Take out sugar . Drink a lot of water get down to a good body fat percentage and then take something like test. Nolva only for pct ??? Why does everyone pct? lol go back to trt after … you kill your organs more after cycle . Research !!!!

Drexyl's picture

The only comment I have is for all the friendly and knowledgeable advice that I gave the thumbs up to. This is exactly how this forum should run and feel.

Condor's picture

I'm new here and joined a couple of months ago. Your stats now were quite similar to mine when i joined. I was 20% body fat and when asking for advice on my first cycle was told to go away and lose some bodyfat first before starting a cycle. I did this but I must admit it was fairly easy for me. I don't have problem losing bodyfat and maintaining muscle. It's all about diet really and although you say you've tried all sorts of diet plans you must not have hit upon the right one yet. My diet plan to lose fat but maintain muscle was simply very low carb, very low fat, high protein. I didn't count calories or measure anything, just went with healthy protein i.e chicken salmon, tuna, lean steaks, healthy fats i.e brazil nuts, walnuts, salmon, avocados, olive oil when needed, healthy carbs i.e vegetables but even then no vegetables/salad with anything more than 5% carbs, nuts etc. Obviously spuds, rice bread, cereals are out. For my sweet cravings I invented a sugar free jelly and almond milk bancmange. You can also get real low carb belgian choccy spread to dip your nuts into if sugar cravings get too much. There's probably many more foods and tips out there that other's can advise you on but that is how I did it and I went from 20% bodyfat to 12% bodyfat in just over 2 months (from memory). I've now purchased my first cycle and will start that this weekend or Monday is probably a better day to start it. I got Test only and PCT plus Anastrozole for gyno issues. After much research, reading and advice from the guys on here, Test only is the way to go for a first cycle. You'll then know exactly what test does for you and in later cycles will see what adding other compounds can do. Test should be the basis of all cycles.

I'm obviously no expert and have much to learn myself but I hope this was helpful to you.

Makwa's picture

You are going about it in the right way Good

Condor's picture

Thanks for the reassurance. Clearly it's worked so far, now to see how the cycle goes. I'm planning to up the carbs and fats as I want to grow. Generally keeping things healthy high protein, medium healthy fats and medium healthy carbs. Would you say this is the right way to go on cyce?

Makwa's picture

You need to eat to grow. If on cycle I would shoot for 750-1000 cals above your TDEE. Put the nutrient partitioning effects of the steroids to work. 40/30/30 macro split is a pretty good start. Need to start tracking cals and macros, otherwise pissing in the wind again. Been there and done that. Night and day difference between tracking and winging it.

Condor's picture

Thanks for the advice. I've just opened a fitday.com account and will log my food intake. The website calculates all the macros and cals for you so I can adjust as necessary. I'd best get off Shizz3lz thread before I'm accused of hijacking it lol. I'm sure it's all useful to Shizz3lz too Smile

Makwa's picture

You will be amazed how big of a difference tracking will make in your progress.

Chaotic Boots's picture

Oral only cycles are a horrible idea as many other people have said, honestly you're not getting enough protein. While trying to gain muscle, you need to be getting at least 1g/lb of bodyweight, and if you're 19% bf I'm going to say it should be 1g/lb of your goal bodyweight. So at minimum you should be eating 195g protein per day. I'd recommend a recomp, with a focus on gaining muscle, then when you have more muscle and higher maintenance calories, a cut will be way easier because you can eat more and still be in a deficit

If you're dead set on using gear, nothing beats test.

SimonM84's picture

Anavar won’t help you lose Fat. I’m not sure what time you train but you should look into fasted cardio and if you decide to do it, incorporate interval sprinting. 45 seconds on and off at 10mph for 10\15 times. You should be able to drop some BF. Don’t do it too many times per week because you’ll lose muscle. I also recommend not eating last a certain hour say6pm if you can swing it while declining or carb intake throughout the day. I just started the carnivore diet and I’ll tell you right now, it’s the fasted 10lbs I dropped in one month. Look into Makwas posts on here, he has good write ups on food and training. Once you get your bf down which should only take a couple of months, come back and we’ll talk about your test only cycle once you figure out what’s making you retain that stubborn fat.

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ONESICK's picture

Your friend needs to slap himself lollol. Only asking for trouble and will be worse off with Anavar only. STEROIDS ARE NOT FAT BURNERS. If you can't get lean naturally you 100% will not on gear. Now get that thought out of your head. Most likely your diet is trash and that's why you're not losing.

Makwa's picture

Like the others mentioned, anavar cycle is foolish. Frankly though, if you can't expect to get into the low teens BF% by just dieting, what makes you think you can do that with steroids? They are not fat burners. How do you expect to gain muscle by only eating 150g protein/d. That is basically my breakfast Lol Something is 100% amiss with your diet and likely suspect your training routine also. Steroids won't make up for a shitty diet and/or training routine, so we have to figure out what is going on there first. Otherwise, you are just pissing in the wind playing around with steroids.

Diesel77's picture

Anavar only is terrible idea. Anavar will shut down your body's natural testosterone production. It is wise to always use Testosterone alongside Anavar. I recommend focusing on diet for fat loss and Not anavar by itself. It will wreak havoc on your blood lipids and most importantly.....anavar is NOT a fat burner.

Badgoat1's picture

Start with posting your full daily meal plan and workout routine. Let some of the guys adjust that if needed. Then if your serious get precycle blood work done especially for a first cycle. The only cycle that should be a first cycle is test E or C at 500mg for 12 weeks with bloods at about 6 weeks to check test levels and estro and again after pct. Order all product at once with an extra vial of test just incase of breakage or overdraws or underfilled vials.

DavosD's picture

I suggest you read the forums on what a good first cycle is. Anavar only is not it tho. And yes you need a test base.