First cycle (sloppy) and second cycle (more serious) 50yo
I tried a first 14-week cycle, Test E 600mg/wk and NPP 400mg/wk with sloppy home training once or twice a week and a careless diet, but I still saw some gains in the mirror where most of the gains went away entirely, approx.—five weeks after the cycle, due to no training. There were no side effects besides minor hair thinning and heavy acne for three weeks after the cycle. However, it went away entirely after that, together with the gains. Arimidex 0.5mg/eod during the cycle. 2 weeks PCT with HCG + 2 weeks Nolva 40mg/d + 2 weeks Nolva 20mg/d. I was finished last week. Felt/saw the difference 5-6 weeks in. ED the last four weeks, but Cialis solved that just fine— however, short lived, the gains did their magic successfully at a time when I needed it.
I will now try my second cycle and plan it to 16 weeks bulk on Test E 600mg/wk and NPP 400mg/wk. I will add six weeks of cutting on 30mg/d Oxandrolone together with Winstrol (if I find a source) and 300mg Test E immediately after the bulking phase and start the PCT 14 days after that. This time, I will be more serious with the training 4t/wk in the gym, heavy basics, and proper calorie intake. At least 2g protein/kg body weight to see the difference compared to the first cycle in how this 50yo body reacts. I will also log gains this time. I will use Finasteride 1mg/ed during bulk to protect the hair and add Minoxidil 5% eod during the cut.
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You either cut or bulk not both same time
500mg test - bulk
250 mg test + 30mg var ed = cut
Rest is all diet , if you think this is little post a pic so i can see how much lean tissue you have
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Dope
Mad respect, bro. Diving into next cycle, gonna grind hard and see where it takes me this time. Getting more and more obvious diet and rest being key, learned the hard way – diet and rest ain't no joke. Instead of photo, after loosing pretty much all gains from the first cycle, regular 50-year-old physique, 176cm 5.77 feet, 88kg 194 pounds, sitting at around 25% body fat. Stay solid, man!
Bf% is way too high to run those types of compounds at those dosages. You’ll only promote more estrogenic side effects. You’re better off going on TRT and try to achieve the desired physique with training and diet. With the right protein consumption and training intensity, you’ll drop BF% while maintaining your muscle mass especially on trt.
This ^^ damn im proud for simon !
Listen to this ! Lets get a diet going , go on trt , drop the bf and THEN lean bulk with the gear by reverse diet
Ez clap brother
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Dope
Appreciate the props, bro! It's time to dial in that diet, hop on TRT at a level more like 500mg/wk for 12wks, trim down, and then hit the bulk leaner with gear like Test+Deca.
They're changing the legislation on January 1st, making everything much riskier. So, I want to get out as much as possible before it becomes challenging to bring anything into the country. That is the reason for considering a blast & cruise as an alternative.
In that case, based on your input, I was thinking about:
Blast #1: 12wks Test 500mg/wk
Cruise: 12 wks Test 150mg/wk
Blast #2: 12 wks Test 500mg/wk + Deca 300mg/wk
Cutting: 6wks Test 250mg/wk + Anavar 30mg/d
PCT: 3wks HCG and after that 4-6wks Nolva
What changes are being made to legislation? Are you referring to the online clinics now going to require at least some in person visits? Or something else?
Really no point in running a PCT after blasting and cruising like that. Most likely will have fried your HPTA and need TRT for life.
Can you Cruise: 24 wks Test 150mg/wk
Dial in diet and training then reassess ?
25% is really high for a blast
Sure, if this is better all together. Getting down BF is not that challenging since I have difficulty gaining and keeping mass since the appetite goes down considerably off the gear. I don't believe I need 24 wks to get to 16%. So, what do you recommend after the cruise on 150mg/wk? One cycle test only and how long before I could try to stack again?
Simon got you covered hard here brother , imagine is nothing for me to add
150mg a week 24 weeks
Post your training and diet and lets go from there
I will make all changes for you free
Do what we come up until 12% not 16% , trust me this for your own health plus you will have less side effects from gear too estro conversion , bp , water retention etc
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Dope
Sry for bad english
I'm on board with the plan and will share my training and diet details soon. Your guidance means a lot, and I appreciate the help.
Here’s the program. Plan to spend 45 to 90 min at the gym during training days. Thrive for 3 RIR, which might actually be 6 RIR since I am a beginner, and I also stay away from one rep max—I tried to create a program that provides a balance of compound and isolation exercises, targeting different muscle groups to promote hypertrophy rather than strength. I am only used to 3 days per week, but I plan to introduce the fourth day and observe how my body responds. I have also tried not to include advanced exercises that are more demanding in terms of perfect technique.
Week 1-8
Day 1: Monday
Chest and Shoulders:
Dumbbell Bench Press: 4 sets x 10-12 reps
Dumbbell Flyes: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Seated Dumbbell Press: 4 sets x 10-12 reps
Lateral Raises: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Triceps Dips (assisted if needed): 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Day 2: Wednesday
Legs:
Goblet Squats: 4 sets x 12-15 reps
Leg Press Machine: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Leg Extensions: 3 sets x 15-20 reps
Bodyweight Lunges: 3 sets x 12-15 reps per leg
Seated or Standing Calf Raises: 3 sets x 15-20 reps
Day 3: Friday
Back and Biceps:
Lat Pulldown Machine: 4 sets x 10-12 reps
Cable Rows: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Face Pulls (using resistance bands): 3 sets x 15-20 reps
Dumbbell Bicep Curls: 4 sets x 10-12 reps
Hammer Curls: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Week 9-24
Day 1: Monday (Upper Body - Push Emphasis)
Barbell Bench Press: 4 sets x 8-10 reps
Dumbbell Shoulder Press: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Triceps Rope Pushdown: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Lateral Raises: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Day 2: Tuesday (Lower Body)
Back Squat: 4 sets x 8-10 reps
Romanian Deadlift: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Leg Press: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Seated Leg Curl: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Standing Calf Raises: 4 sets x 12-15 reps
Day 3: Thursday (Upper Body - Pull Emphasis)
Bent Over Barbell Rows: 4 sets x 8-10 reps
Lat Pulldowns: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Face Pulls: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Barbell Bicep Curls: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Hammer Curls: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Day 4: Friday (Full Body)
Deadlifts: 4 sets x 8-10 reps
Dumbbell Lunges: 3 sets x 10-12 reps per leg
Dumbbell Chest Flyes: 3 sets x 10-12 reps
Triceps Dips: 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Seated Calf Raises: 4 sets x 12-15 reps
Your English is better than ours lol. You’ve been apologizing for your English for 10 years, you’re good bro.
I would say to reevaluate once the 24 weekS is complete. Maybe post up a pick so members can contribute. I really don’t know your body composition to give the advice. Let’s see what you look like come spring time.
Love it. It just makes the most sense. Guys are trying to reinvent the wheel when it’s really not that complicated. Need to strip the ugly paint, some primer then some quality coats of paint. Running a bull cycle at 25% will only increase BF% with very minimal muscle as estro sides increase with high BF%
Another classic bulk and cut cycle. Good luck, no one I know has successfully pulled one off yet.
Thanks for the heads up, bro! I'm ready to give it a shot and see how it goes. I know it's a classic approach, but I aim to stay disciplined with the bulk and cut phases. Fingers crossed, it works out for me. I appreciate the support, man!
Yeah... classic like a meme.
I would skip what you laid out fully for just testosterone and provi. That stack is advanced and i dont see any proper use of ai/da or blood tests.
600 testosterone 12 weeks. Week 4 add provi til pct.
Note...research a proper pct. Have you looked at Dr for your off cycle full blood workup?
Thanks for the recommendations, Bro.
I believe you are right; I should just go with TRT for a standard length cycle of 12wks, but I never claimed to be the smart one. I simply just feel for stacking this time around again.
For AI I plan to use Anastrozole 0,5mg eod and more when needed. For DA, I plan to use Cabergoline and will try go get a Dr to recommend starting dosage depending on my cycle and the depending on values five weeks into the cycle. I will also take 5mg Tamoxifen ed during the cycle and up it to 40mg/d and 20mg/d during the PCT after the 3wks HCG treatment at 500iu/wk.
Having proper, relevant blood work done in my country is a challenge in itself. Also, no Dr here would ever touch this type of discussion despite the doctor-patient confidentiality. That’s why I had to order blood work separately on three occasions and then now the coming days set out to find a Dr online somewhere outside the country to consult regarding the test values before, during, and after the cycle.
What I could get a week ago for my after and before, since I will begin my next cycle in some weeks, were these results:
Blood Count:
White Blood Cell Count (Leukocytes): 7.9 x 10^9/L
Red Blood Cell Count (Erythrocytes): 5.4 x 10^12/L
Hemoglobin (Hb): 156 g/L
Hematocrit (Hct): 0.480 (48%)
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV): 88 fL
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (MCH): 28.8 pg
Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC): 328 g/L
Platelet Count (Trombocytes): 194 x 10^9/L
Kidney Function:
Sodium (Natrium): 141 mmol/L
Potassium (Kalium): 3.7 mmol/L
Creatinine: 69 µmol/L
Estimated Glomerular Filtration Rate (eGFR): 97 mL/min/1.73m² (relative)
Electrolyte Balance: 13. Calcium: 2.33 mmol/L
General Health Markers:
Albumin: 41 g/L
C-Reactive Protein (CRP): <0.50 mg/L
Glucose: 5.3 mmol/L
Troponin I: <5 ng/L
Lipid metabolism profiles:
Total Cholesterol (CHOL): 5.09 mmol/L
HDL Cholesterol (HDL CHOL): 1.88 mmol/L
Triglycerides (TRIG): 1.10 mmol/L
Calculated LDL Cholesterol (CALC LDL): 2.70 mmol/L
Total Cholesterol to HDL Cholesterol ratio (TC/HDL): 2.7
Physiological systems:
Liver Function (since it can potentially impact the liver):
P-Alkaline Phosphatase (P-ALP): 1.3 IU/L
P-Bilirubin: 8.9 µmol/L
P-Gamma-Glutamyl Transferase (P-GT): 0.70 µmol/L
P-Alanine Aminotransferase (P-ALAT): 0.51 µmol/L
P-Aspartate Aminotransferase (P-ASAT): 0.44 µmol/L
Kidney Function (kidney function, hormonal balance, and stress response):
P-Creatine Kinase (P-CK): 1.2 µkat/L
P-Leuteinizing Hormone (P-LH): 2.6 IU/L
P-Cortisol: 394 nmol/L
Hematological Parameters (to assess impact on blood cell counts and composition):
B-Leukocytes: 7.6 x 10^9/L
B-Erythrocytes: 5.4 x 10^12/L
B-Hemoglobin: 160 g/L
B-Hematocrit (B-EVF): 0.490 (49%)
B-Mean Corpuscular Volume (B-MCV): 91 fL
Erc(B)-Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin (Erc(B)-MCH): 29.5 pg
Erc(B)-Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (Erc(B)-MCHC): 323.6 g/L
B-Trombocyter: 238 x 10^9/L
Prostate Health:
Serum Prostate-Specific Antigen (S-PSA): 0.83 µg/L
Endocrine Function (endocrine system):
P-Testosterone: 18 nmol/L
P-Progesterone: 0.6 nmol/L
This is probably the best advice so far. Like I said, stay tuned, and pay attention.
Lot of questions to ask too. Flip the quarter
Hey, bro, appreciate your input. The 'flip the quarter' comment got me thinking. Could you give me a bit more guidance on what you mean? I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the same page. Thanks, man!
Try starting off with a lower dose brother, more is not always better.
Thanks for the advice Bro. Always good to find that sweet spot. Cheers for looking out, man!
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Ok, Bro, here’s my two cents on your plans.
Your training and diet are the two most important aspects of this cycle. I’m speaking from my own experience making the same mistakes you’re making. If you’re going to run Test E, you might as well run Deca. If you’re looking for faster results, you need to switch to Test Prop, Sustanon, or aTest Tri-blend (P/C/E - a few sources call it Sustanon, but it’s really not). Then you can use NPP, but you have to pin at less every two days. Miss a shot, and you’re on your way to fucking up the cycle. That’s why I’m recommending Test C or Test E/ Deca. You can pin once or twice (less volume pin) and see some really nice gains if you keep your diet and training in check. Plan you PCT properly, and have Arimadex on hand to battle any Estrogen sides you may be feeling. Leave Anavar for a whole different cycle. I’ve run Anavar several times, and have NEVER reaped the benefits I expected because my body fat was never low enough. Yet my dumb ass continues to make the same mistake. I end up getting bigger, not cut up. I just dropped it after 4 weeks for that reason exactly. I would have been better off running Anadrol, because those were the results I got.
Anyway, good luck on the cycle. Stick around and keep learning. A lot of experienced guys on this site that are willing to help as long as you’re willing to listen.
A lot of people aren’t crazy about this guy, but I like him because he teaches you how to run cycles properly with facts to back up his advice. Check out this video.
https://youtu.be/eKG9tZdL1_8?si=MyWfKv3y6vsAsbs0
Hey there, I appreciate the input, Bro. I’ve taken note of your insights, and here’s my take on your recommendations.
You have reinforced the importance of training and diet, really being the linchpin of a successful cycle. I’m committed to being more disciplined this time around.
I am more looking for a manageable cycle with some flexibility built in instead of fast gains, meaning pinning two times per week is, for me, a far better alternative instead of having to be spot on with eod to not make the cycle go to shit. Your suggestion on Test E or Test C with Deca makes sense for this benefit. Then again, I suffered severely from fluid retention, stomach pain, and indigestion from Deca, stacked with TRT on a beginner cycle 25 years or so ago. For my beginner cycle this year I really wasn’t eod with the NPP, and likely that is also what contributed to messing up the cycle, all things considered, besides the training and diet. Perhaps the bloating and stomach problems will be less if I tune the Deca down to 12wks 300mg/wk and stack it with 14wks of 600mg/wk Test E.
Thanks again for taking the time to share your experience and advice.
The stomach issues are actually a known side effect for nandro but there may also be something you’re consuming to amplify the side effects.