Cycle advise - beginner - trt 6 months
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New 33 m 205lb body recomping currently on 200mg pw test c. Tirz 5mg. Ghkcu.
Looking to add an aas (probably primo) to enhance recomping. Looking for advice on possibly improving skin elasticity too. Major weight loss over 3 yrs. Access to deca, primo, anavar, cjc1295, ghkcu, bpc, igf1 r3, hgh.
Want to take it slow and safe. Thx all
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Hey all I'm fairly new to hrt and my muscle building journey. I have been on trt (100mg test cyp tue,thur) for about 6 months now. My bloods after 5 week were over 1500 total t (capped) but I think I tested after a shot. Bloods at 3 months day of shot due (before shot) total t was around 1200. Everything else looking good.
Im 33 m 203lb about 20% body fat. Currently on tirz. 5mg.
My goal has been body recomp. I have a fairly clean diet but am definitely in calorie deficit. I work out 2 to 3 times a week str training. I have definitely not maxed out what I can do with t. But im curious about enhancing effects.
I have some vials of primo, deca, and oxandrolone tabs. Along with Ai when needed.
Also have cjc 1295, ghkcu, bpc stored away
Im wondering what can I do with the primo. Id like to add this to my trt to enhance gains and fat loss. I feel like it would be a good aas to start. I dont want to go crazy but an amount that will enhance what im doing.
Im also open to suggestions on the deca or anavar down the road or maybe instead of primo. I know I want to start with one thing at a time.
I want to improve skin elasticity (I've lost almost 100lb in 3 years) build lean muscles, not necessarily huge bulk, and have a sense of wellbeing (dont want to be raging lol).
Thanks for taking the time to help a new fella in the community. Did my best to provide concise organized info but im not the greatest at it lol
Love the community here so I decided to join in.
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Thanks billybear ill keep that in consideration. My plan is to cut more bf and try running 80mg 2x week. Up my exercise output and clean up diet. I think everyone is right the lower bf is an important part.
I think dieting will be easier on 70-80mg 2x week, i notice more apetite on higher doses.
Upping tirz slightly too.
During this process I might experiment with cjc1295 am dose before fasted exercise. Just a thought.
Instead of spending your money on something to produce GH, just buy generic GH.
It’s more effective!
Not sure how often your dosing your Triz but I had a lot of success doing small doses every 3 days.
I have 120, probably need some more to do cycle, I can definitely take care of that when the time comes. Any advice on sides to watch out for? I was thinking 2 to 3 iu a day? Not sure when to dose, probably fasted in AM but ill do more research.
Hoping low dose is fairly safe, dont want enlarged heart or anything like that, im assuming thats much higher dosage.
Ill try 3 day dosing too, that sounds like it would work better than 5 to 6 day. Working up to 8mg tz
For GH, start at 2iu > I’ve never seen a need to go over 4iu.
As for Triz, I started with 1mg every 3 days. Eventually I was at 2.5mg every 3 days (last month of taking it). Only took it for 5 months and lost 43lbs. Now, I’ll just take 1-2mg once a week for help benefits
I would suggest losing more weight first. Your body will respond better to TRT and any additional compounds with lower bf%.
Generally, a test level above 1,000 is considered a cycle but most people keep their levels at 700-800ish on TRT
Want to add that i appreciate all the experienced people sharing their knowledge. And in a way that is genuine, realistic, and welcoming. Its got me inspired to keep going and smash out more time in the gym.
Thx fellas, stay swole
Prob don’t even need more gym time. Just lock the diet in man and try to get below 15% before increasing Gear.
Appreciate all the advice
All the gear isn't for me BTW; have other things going on with it if you know what I mean.
Reta has given me bad sides like minor hair loss and intense skin pain. Its a really weird pain. I did drop a good amount of weight on it though. But i hit a sides tolerance wall so i switched. tirz has been doing the job, albeit slower.
I will stick to cutting and hitting the gym more often. I appreciate the insight, glad I posted here. Youre right though building muscle whilst also losing body fat is a real balancing act.
Edit test levels before trt were like 330 so its a big jump to where I am now.
Got it. I have been power lifting and Olympic lifting since I was 14. Doc put me on TRT protocol when I was 17 (pituitary issues). I didn’t run a full go round of test until I was 22. It was bombs away since then…. Moral of the story is there needs to be a foundation laid. Just as fast as you’ll gain lean mass and strength, you’ll lose it. Creating the foundation will prevent much of it.
I appreciate this point, youre very right these are long term goals we/i am working on. Solid foundation is very important.
What were your test levels before trt?
Unless the tirzapetine is prescribed, switched to retatrutide. You shouldn’t have bought all that gear to begin with. I would consider HGH and lower trt dose to 180mg a week. Also watch your RBC.
If you add Primo, and keep your test at 200mg/week, you would probably want to run something close to a 3:2 ratio test to primo. So you would be adding something like 130mg/week primo in this scenario. It's a waste. Don't bother. It's not going to enhance any effects. Primo, for me, works best while on a cycle where I use it as an AI but the dosages are higher. You can't cheat a lack of actual physical time in the gym with small dosages of drugs. Why not stay on the course you are on and just start murdering the weights like the rest of us? Lose the rest of that baby fat with hard work and your GLP, and if your skin doesn't tighten up the way you want it to, save money to get it cut off. 1200-1500 test is super physiological in your world. Your body is probably responding well and just needs more output. Also the recomp thing is a unicorn. You are either in a calorie deficit losing weight, or you are in a calorie surplus gaining weight.
just add 100 mg of Primo / week. split in two doses like test. you can give it all in one shot (50 mg of test and 50 mg of primo / 2x week). it's called TRT+
He’s already on trt+ at 200 a week test. Total test at 1200 is the very top end of “optimized”.
I’d just keep cutting body fat while on tirz and trt until you hit your goal weight, then drop tirz down or off completely to bulk in a more productive first cycle, like 4-500 test or 300 test 200 primo or var.