HGH questions for a first timer
Hey everyone, this is my first post on the forum so thanks for having me and my apologizes if I struggle at this! I have been searching around the board for some answers on dosages for my first time using HGH, but unfortunately I haven’t found the answers. Basically, my goals are to run it for 6 months at 4 ius ed, along with my cycle which consists of 1-4w 30mg dbol, 1-15w 500mg test e., 1-12w 300mg deca, so including pct I have it spread at 20 weeks total, including HGH in pct and after to retain the gains. My questions would be, since it’s my first time, should I start at 1-2 ius, and gradually increase to 4 ius due to sides, especially water retention on top of the retention from the androgens, or just run 4 ius the entire time? The next question would just be for knowledge purposes and just to learn how others with experience have ran pinning protocols for best results, ex. pin first thing in the morning, post workout, morning and before bed, etc. Thanks again for any help and if you need any info. from me please ask!
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DivineHOnce a day des
I know this is kind of changing th subject a little, but since everyone has been talking so well about igf-1 Lr3, it got me curious on the matter of igf-1 des. Unfortunately the source I would go to for it is out of stock of Lr3, but does have des. Was just curious on the thoughts and experience with this peptide and if say for example taking 25mcg 4-5 times a day would be adequate, etc.? Again thanks again for all the responses I really appreciate the help!!
Unless you are training 4-5 times/day then I wouldn't be taking the DES that frequently.
Thanks for the advice! Luckily that issue has been resolved since I found some lr3, but I appreciate your insight!
Pin it whenever it is convenient. I think I have tried every pinning schedule under the sun and haven't noticed a difference. It is such a subtle compound so you aren't going to notice anything after pinning. Your workouts aren't going to be better if you pin prewo, you aren't going to diminish gains pinning postwo, you aren't going to sleep any better/worse if you pin it before bedtime, you aren't going to notice any more fat loss pinning it fasted, I think you get the point.
The thing is to be conistent with daily pins and be sure to stay on it long enough. It takes a long time to really get the most benefit from it. What you can notice right away is CTS problems if you pin to much right away. Need to ramp it up. Also get a blood test so you know your baseline. For young guys like you I don't think GH is really worth it, but for old guys like me with piss poor natty production it is really noticeable and beneficial. Probably not so much so if you are young and have good natty GH production.
What I would do if I was you would be to get your baseline tested to see where it is at and then assess if you want to use long term or not. Don't really need it for anti-aging purposes at your age. If going to splurge on GH I would be using primarily around my cycle in conjunction with LR3 to really get the synergy with AAS/GH/LR3 combo. Use it for about 4 wks pre cycle so that you are ramped up to your max dose when cycle starts, cycle the LR3 with it during cycle and continue the GH through PCT. That is how it will benefit you the most.
So if you are running a deca cycle you will have at least 16 weeks during cycle and add on 4 weeks pre-cycle and with deca I would be looking at probably a 6wk PCT so you are a little over 6 months right there. I wouldn't really bother with for the bulk of your time when off cycle. Just time it around cycles at your age.
Thank you for the information! Yeah I definitely agree with you on being a little young to use, but after the extensive research I have read, I wanted to personally see how it would work on recovering old nagging injuries that keep coming back, plus the other benefits that come with dosing a little higher at 4ius. As far as blood work goes, I am actually in the process of ordering my tests so hopefully next week I should have those results before I start up. And I agree with you on planning around cycles, the goal is to get as much as possible with the least amount for longevity purposes. If you don’t mind me asking since it’s been a while since I’ve researched on Lr3, is 50mcg about the norm for dosing, or would you recommend dosing lower at around 25mcg? Thanks again for the extensive response!
I would start out at 25mcg and see what that does, especially for the first couple of weeks and then bump it up to see if you noticed a difference. First time pinning it 25mcg hit me pretty hard first time using it. I've settled on 40mcg for my dose now.
Awesome I appreciate that! This might be a dumb question, but have you experimented with site injections with Lr3? I’ve heard some people say it works, then others say it’s a scam.
LR3 is systemic so there won't be any specific site enhancement with it.
That’s why I thought it was a dumb question, but was still curious. I feel the only thing that may have that effect could be water base injectibles, but my balls haven’t dropped that far to try yet lol. Anyways, thank you for all of your insite it is much appreciated man!!
I've always done am pins only.. then fasted for a few hours..I wouldn't jump right on 4iu.. I'd start at 2 and work my way up.. I'd say2 weeks at 2iu then2 weeks at 3iu.. if you never used growth then you want to see how the sides act for you..I can say when I first started once I got to 3iu my hands were constantly going numb on me.. so take your time bro.. I'd also time it so you're at 4 at the time your aas cycle week start. . that way your igf is up when the great kicks in.. that's just how I would do it.. enjoy
Thanks for the advice man, that was pretty much exactly what I was thinking as far as dosing went, is there a reason you only do am pins?
Yes.. my reasoning is natural hgh production peaks while you sleep so in theory it doesn't make much sense to suppress it if you don't need to.. it's a different story if you have a hgh deficiency or something like that but most people don't.. it's also personal preference honestly.. some people pin at night or do split doses..I just prefer am pins..
Thanks that definitely makes sense, I have always been curious why people want to pin before bed since they suppress the large production during sleep, as well as post workout release too.
Exactly.. enjoy the run bro..gh is also more of a longer term thing..I usually tell people to go for 6 months minimum.. how long u gonna run it for u think
Thanks man I appreciate it! And I plan on running it for 6 months everyday. I figure that would be a nice run for my first time.
Lots of opinions out there, but the protocol I am using is simply
hypertrophy
1. AAS cycle
2. Typical 2 iu's of hgh for fat burning and co-activating androgen receptors and deactivating proteins like fox0's
hyperplasia
1. Typical 50mcg Lr3 1 month spurts cycled
People talk about anti-aging, but I never saw a young handsome looking juicer, they mostly look wrecked at high doses and always deflate after
People talk about hypertrophy from GH, but it never did it for me, so i use it for what i get as actual true effects; fat loss and co-activating andro receptors
Lr3 I am hoping will give hyperplasia, so it is an experiment, but I should be able to tell when I benchmark against previous GH + AAS cycles, should be reasonably obvious, I hope
Thanks for the response! I would be really curious on how that goes for you with LR3, I have heard nothing but good things for those who have found the real thing. As far as effects you have seen, have you found results in the well being of joints and tendons, for example if you had a nagging injury?
Only started but no, lr3 is not joint medicine. had some stereotypical sides like hypo, hunger, fatigue.
No idea on how it fares for growth, will need to wait a spell to see
Take collagen for connective tissues.
I definitely will do that! I was just curious since I’ve read that one of the effects of gh is collagen synthesis, so was curious if lr3 would do the same. But I will definitely take you up on taking collagen since I’m sure I don’t get a significant amount from the chicken bone broth I eat with meals. Please keep me updated on how lr3 works for you man and hope you get some great results!!
good thing about collagen is it does 2 things when you supp with it. 1. it obviously increases collagen in the body but then 2. it actually encourages the body to generate more collagen 0 which I found odd because everything else, like our natural test will switch off when we supp with testo.
so collagen supps are.. well... pretty cool!
That is interesting! I would have thought the same about suppression or would become resistant at some point. Yeah I’m definitely sold there!