posted Fri, 09/20/2024 - 18:45
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HGH being shipped INT without cold pack and what to look out for in getting good product?
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I am considering purchasing HGH but am told that it is kept at 36-42F. If it's shipped internationally, it is not in a cold pack. Does this decrease its effectiveness?
What are some things to look out for? I see so many of these vary vastly in prices, and I am not sure if one is better than the other. I know pharma grade pens are great, but they are also counterfeit at times.
I really need to make sure everything is correct, as I am using this as a medical treatment.
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See this is what it comes down to, if you're worried about lost potency of GH in any form while being delivered in hotter weather then order in weather much cooler. That's a simple fix. No need to stress. Personally I would wait until cooler weather. Then again we don't know the shipping ( weather) conditions in which src's received their GH supply.
Exactly, they could have received in hot months and storing till shipment to you. Its Russian rollete like with buying anything non prescription online from strangers
Good point. So even good vendors vary greatly?
We've been saying that lol. All the stress is unnecessary
Remember the guy that only wanted prescription bac water for his hgh? Why stress the small stuff lol
I think stressing over small things is a hobby for some guys. I think that
Refrigeration is huge on the GH deficiency support group. One of the symptoms is also anxiety and other changes. But I know I will be like my old self soon! Thanks for grounding me.
But i haven't seen enough science or testing so show enough decrease in how its stored pre constituted so i wouldnt stress that much about it. Like everyine says if it makes one feel better order in the cooler months but i think its only to feel better. After constituting definitely put in fridge. Order from the top 10 here and most likely the pens arent counterfeit if you read their reviews and they also have some killer pucks. All the top sources here check out
Thank you both. I appreciate it.
No problem. Ive learned a lot here especially finding a lot of wives tales debunked. Stuff you been hearing in the gym for years vs stuff guys here actually experienced and realize "that wasnt true?!" We are taught a lot of "bro science" over the years and its not our fault we trusted them guys in the gym lol
Very true!
What I find interesting is some Pharmacies actually have it reconsituted already. The way many discuss Peptides they act as though it is super fragile fine China glass. Yet these Pharmacies are shipping it all over the place reconstituded. Shaking and baking in trucks.
You are wrong, most don't ship all over the world that would be too expensive. Most pharma gear is made local or close so the shipping line is as short as possible.
I understand that. My best friend is a Pharmacist. I can tell you some wild stories starting with COVID lol As others said there are "standards' now are those standards adhered too. Well thats for a topic all in itself. Cause Ive heard some wild stories.
Thats all Im saying. Peptides are a bit more resiliant than peopel act.
NOne the less people act like Peptides will be destroyed if a strong wind blows. Don't shake it too much or else it goes bad. Don't do this or it goes bad. Come to Baltimore. While dogging bullets and and potholes those vials are shaking and baking even if its around teh corner
Pharmacy shipping methods and UGL shipping can be a bit different sometimes as you know. If it's reconstituted already and being shipped on dry ice then that would be proper protocol but some don't follow that method. Some UGLs may have GH baking in trucks lol
But some UGLs do?
oh shit I am bannedI really really doubt they would pay to do that. Pharma does it because they have standards they have to meet. Ugl has nobody to answer to
anvilThey have to answer to me hahahaha!!!!
oh shit I am bannedWell you’re also the biggest customer
Exactly. Big difference.
Yeah some UGLs possibly. Part of the game unfortunately
oh shit I am bannedWouldn’t say baking. They’re shipped in refrigerated trucks on dry ice
Good point brother. I don't have the answer honestly. I do think that peptides aren't as stable as other hormones but to what degree I don't know. I read these guys having GH shipped in the hot summer temps without any issues. Maybe it's a certain time under a certain temp...Makes you think
though. I guess I'd rather be safe.
Modern day lyophilization processes create a product much more stable and resistant to temperature than people give it credit for
You gotta think… these domestics get there Hgh from China, then ship a sample over to Jano and you see how those results come back
It’s hitting HPLC high 90s, zero dimer, then that’s most likely close to how it’s sitting in your mailbox
Fantastic point! What do you think about the pens? Those are already reconstituted, right?
No, you have to initiate reconstitution. As far as their stability, I would assume the same as generic. Although, I’ve heard Vigorus Steve allude to them losing potency in transit. If it were me personally, and I was going to spend handsomely on some Genos…. I would definitely make that purchase during the winter months. Even if the difference is negligible, mentally it would be worth it to me
anvilI was concerned about this also, in my area you can bake cookies in my mailbox. I have 0 issues with potency, and I have run a bunch.. But FYI there isn't "everything is correct" this is not legal so there is no 100% in this game. If you need pharma then pay for pharma then you have your 100% !
Right? It's very hot here.
But yes. I agree that pharma is safe. What aboht things that are labeled as pharma? You've certainly seen the names. And legal pharma can be up to 14% discrepancy in dosing. I've seen less skimming through reports. I want to make sure I remove any bias or am not trusting marketing
anvilThe heat exposure thing prolly in first stages of when they start ugl making it, more fragile. I believe from personal experience, it is more stable.
The "kept" temperature is only of concern after reconstitution. Prior to reconstituting, it can be kept at room temp for a while. No worries, just make sure you refrigerate after reconstitution
Yeah after reconstitution no doubt. I think when in solid lyopho puck form before reconstitution maybe it can only withstand a certain high temp for a certain amount of time. It's the elephant in the room question lol.
Yeah, I've read that it's ok in puck firm for months so long as it's not going through extreme temp. That's why it's recommended to have in a cool dry area. Shipping is out of our control though as we know. Most guys I know keep their GH and peptides in the freezer, pull one out and let it get to room temp before reconstituting. Then refrigerate. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything already reconstituted during the shipping process. GH and peptides are fragile as fuck. Too expensive to roll those dice for me. Not that I can use any of it anyway. With my health situation, there'll be no GH or peptides for me. Sucks but it is what it is! I'm good with some good old fashioned steroids. Lol
I forgot about your health situation. How's that going man?
And yeah when you really think about it, we really don't know in what weather conditions srcs are receiving their GH in so it's basically a guessing game, but I'd just not want any peptide to be shipped in hot summer like weather but that's just me. Yes fragile I agree, but just don't know to what degree
I'm ok... Got a little hiccup going on, but it's early enough to go at it and squash it before it gets any worse. I feel great though!
As far as shipping goes, that's just the uncertainty of the game. Whether it's GH or peptides in the summer or oils crashing in the winter cold, it's just the nature of it. Majority of the time we get our packs and all is well. Every once in a while, there's a leaking vial, crashed cyp, whatever the case might be. I mean, let's face it. These parcel companies don't give two shits whether your pack in intact or not. They're just slinging shit, trying to get home. Especially here in the States! You already know how these fuckers are! They'll lie straight to your face with proof in hand. Lol... Motherfuckers!!!
Haha 1000%... they'll lie straight to your face saying they no nothing about a delivery yet when they turn around you can see a harpoon needle hanging straight from their ass. Go figure lol. But yeah man I agree it's definitely part of the game and if someone doesn't know that then this game isn't for them. You summarized this perfectly bro!
And glad you're doing good my man.
Thanks for the info. This makes sense and I feel better now to reconstitute myself at home. So much to learn!
That's what we do here. We help one another out! Personally, if it were me, I would be reconstituting it myself. At least I'd know that once it's in liquid form, I can be assured that it's kept correctly. And brother, the ugl GH that's going around now seems to be fire and the prices are unheard of. That's why you'll see guys post pics of a 20 kit order. They aren't ordering it cause it sucks. That's for sure! Lol! Good luck my man
So most pharmacies in the US get vials that are powder, like we can get. Then they put BAC water in it and then send it off in a cold pack/fridge for pick up?
And if the pens come in powder, it should be the same for that
All the pens ive seen from every source here comes unconstituted. The pen process mixes the water with powder before you inject. Only ever seen already constituted in vials here from the sources
I think you're a little confused. The pens are liquid and don't come in powder- puck form. I think it just comes down to it being reconstituted and then being in the right temperature settings that's all.
More familiar with pucks and liquid GH than the pen GH. I've seen liquid pen GH though but probably rare
I will have to look into pucks. The pens are what you get at the pharmacy. A little pricier
Yes, I am confused. If I order pens, most of these places ship internationally and seem to have a long time to get here. Can I order pens to put the GH in or is this a needle a day thing?
I'm not sure of the pharmacies shipping policy with GH is. As far as GH there's GH that has to be reconstituted and then there's GH that's already in reconstituted form. Question is what high temps can they both withstand in both forms. I don't know, but during shipping process both maybe exposed to higher than normal room temps depending where it's coming from.
Is it silly to order a single vial to test it or is it okay to order the 10 pack and go off of reviews alone? I won't know if it works for a couple of months of daily shots. My doc is saying I will get an IGF1 test in 6 weeks but would IGF1 increase faster than that if I pay for my own?
Maybe I should pay for a pharma grade and compare if my symptoms return after its stabilized.
If you go pharma, order small at first. Run it for a few weeks and then get blood work. See if your IGF increased.