posted Wed, 11/18/2015 - 10:59
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come on now, this is getting crazy
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Guys, 600+ igf1 blood levels ?
800+ igf1 blood levels ?
OK fellas, the average blood level on 3 to 5 ius of prescription gh lands in at around 377ish, these crazy high numbers really make me wonder what the hell is in those vials.
Thoughts ?
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Edit. Was already mentioned.
bigwillyAnd so now here's another question.....
Is there no top off, and can I get igf1 levels that high with real prescription growth hormone ?
9iu Serostim ED can yield over 1000igf.
I just noticed that 800 ng/mL at only 6ius
I don't think that's correct
I'd say it's 12ius
I think that was on purpose to show "double dose"
(Maybe the next batch will be the same....maybe not...who could really know)
With IGF1 levels there is a saturation/constant peak (top off)
But when you jump into 10+IUs from the start (ouch).....it can take a month (ish) to reach peak
My IGF1 at 683ng/mL was still elevating - 6Ius (10IUs)
I remember guys always running 10IUs of generics in the past. Seems most of it was underdosed. IGF1 levels were never that high. Brown Tops (H¥g3) were.
Some of the low IGF1 results with the Generics from the past were from "degrading IGF1" or Protein Immunogenicity. (Chitty HGH) We just didn't recognize as that......it was referred to as a "Bad Batch"
bigwillyDog I'd like to find out if there's a cap, as in, dose there come a piont where to high of a level is actually bad for a human, or is there a level that once this high, we can't even utilize it, ya know.
I'm pretty sure the average guy has no use for a 800 igf1 blood level, ya know ?
Science is no where with drug, we don't know shit, all we know is sly looks dam good for 70 years old.
What's your views on this little old school number
Hydgetropin 100 iu kit
10iu vials
AIDS patients get 18iu sero Ed. That's four 126iu kits per month
bigwillyAnd there's not one shred of proof it's doing shit for em.
I just had a 3 hour talk with a full blown aids patient last week, I grew up with em. His doctor told em flat out that gh therapy neither here nor there and that
Do you think the Dr. would have the same theory if he used it himself for wasting?
bigwillyI follow, I do. But it is all theory, 100%
There is no solid fact that the gh helps the waist g effects of aids.
He even found out their actually prescribing trenbolone and other ass in Africa for aids waisting, yep ( trenbolone ) a fucking cattle drug,lol.
I'm just skeptical about these crazy high igf1 blood level numbers, for years and years we beleive mid 400s wer great, now we see its easy to get levels up into the 800s. So ?
Keep in mind, I'm old school, back then we used the product for 3,4 months befor we know anything. To this day I hold more stock in the miror and how I feel as a posed to these blood tests. My bf/ skin around my eyelids/my fingernails/and my over all feel for the drug is more valuable to me then a blood reading. But that's just me.
Oh, my bad. I don't run my GH like that with those high IGFs
High Doses of GH.....for medical issues (post-op/Wasting patients, etc)
I'm just guessing.....we get our GH prescribed as an "off-label" for anti-aging...so it's not technically a medical issue and the dosages are not normally very high
Prolonged (extremely) elevated GH/IGF1 - Acromegaly (Tony "Big Hands" Robbins)
Barry "Big Head" Bonds - high HGH doses?
Rich Piana talkes about his Skull, Hands, Feet growing on high doses of HGH
bigwillyMe either, iv never gotten past 6 ius a day. Typically on prescription gh I'm 2 ius morning 2 ius at night.
At this piont I'd cut that down if it's what I had to do to keep using prescription gh. I have loads of angs, with any luck I won't ever need to use them.
bigwillyWhat I'd really like to see is a pro athletes igf1 levels from the continuous years long use of ligit pharmacy gh. For years we thought an igf1 level of 377 to 433 was great. Now wer seeing levels of 800+ and what's worse is the 800+ # belongs to a guy who probly don't look like a pro body biulder,lol
Ahhhhhhhhhnnnn,lol
(2 samples Lab Tested as only HGH. Both raised IGF1 quickly. It's the testing method elevating IGF1.....not an HGH/IGF1 mix)
The information I post goes against what's posted all over the other forums.
The difference is I have Lab Results to confirm what I'm posting
My IGF1 was at 683ng/mL after only 8 days of 6Ius (really 10ius) a.m. SubQ
At this dose my IGF1 is still elevating, so 800ng/mL or greater if I did blood work 1-2 weeks later is doable. But, it's very painful.
In the past, I would have said Bullchit...it's gotta be some pep mix. We've all done our reading and research (copy n paste) posting back then. Way too much BroScience about IGF1 elevation (I'm very guilty of Bro'Lore). What was lacking was actual Lab Testing. So now we have it...and our minds are blown! Lol
For me, 5IUs with an IGF1 377ng/mL......I'd guess it's underdosed (this is based on my blood work results of different dosages [Pharma] 3IUs, 4IUs, etc) (you might have different results)
But like Killroy mentioned....we can't use GH Serum or IGF1 Serum to pinpoint exact mg/IU (6Ius, 8ius, 10Ius)
IGF levels @ 1528 on 9iu+/- ED Serostim... per Sponge's testing.
"... I ran around 7-10IU of Serostim constantly this high for the last 4-5 months, and at 3-4 IU for the year or so prior. "
https://www.eroids.com/pics/mutas-final-igf-1-on-9iu-serostim-hgh-everyday
But if you go by his Mug shot, if it does make you wonder if it was a bullshit post or not. Maybe a client's levels?
One things for certain, through exogenous GH administration IGF will continue to build over time..
Genetics, gender, diet, pre-existing conditions, hormone supplementation, AI use will all play a role in how much, how high and when it plateaus. That is if your body doesn't start building antibodies.
There is no hard and fast rules on IGF increase level per IU, there is no "average".
Whatever is in those vials is signaling your liver to synthesis IGF1 at a very effective rate.
There is no other known peptide that can produce these numbers.
bigwillyYea bro, I'm not so sure I'd even consider that post ligit. Lol.
Shit getting way to scientific for me,lol
The sponge did post alot of good information but I don't think that igf test was his. He used to push those seros pretty hard and deep down I believe it was more of a marketing strategy....dont forget that he also told us his wife (the registered nurse) used to inject him and do his blood work
I would like to add that it is also registers high with GH serum ...
So the Chinese have developed a formula that nails the Exo GH serum peak, effectively increases IGF1 levels and is showing up as "GH" per Hail's qualitative analysis of recent batches ? But you guys still think it's some magic potion ?
Wish there was a way to know what exactly is in those vials ,I'm sure there is but no one can afford it ,something sure is fishy tho ,that's for damm sure
wont the testing people are waiting for from simec tell whats in these things? Im not sure how long it takes but i believe there were two people who sent in samples
I'm not 100 percent sure if they can identify all the ingredients ,maybe a member more familiar with what the test reveal can chime in ,
Just like on Amazon, you got to pick and choose what to believe.
I'm more curious about these crazy high serum numbers (49 for me an hour late for the protocol) 65 when following the 3.5hr protocol. Pharm grade typically tests mid 20s up to 30ish on 10ius. So how the hell are these serums so high? Some crazy peptide we don't know about? My test was 4.5 hrs after I injected most peps have a short halflife. Maybe a combo of both 10ius of gh and a peptide? Again peps have short halflife. This is what baffles me. But I did pull a 33 on 5ius of omnitopes straight from a U.S. anti aging clinic, so would I have tested 66 on 10ius? Idk but it definitely would have been higher then 33 I got on 5ius, atleast mid 40s I'd think.
As for the igf-1 tests, remember muta pulling a 1500 on 10ius of serostim? The tests are still around here somewhere. In my experience on phsrm grade im always over mid 400s on 4-5ius. I wish I would have pulled igf-1 on the 7ius of nords I was running last spring. I'm gonna do igf-1 in about 2 weeks on "10ius" of those generics that tested 50 serum for me and 65 for the other member. I don't think you can make any assumption on igf-1 levels based on serum so will see what happens. And then I'll pull igf-1 on 10ius of phsrm grade a month later when th generics are definitely out of my system and compare. Maybe do a serum on the pharm grade I'm running now to see where they test.
Either we have some really good generic gh on the market or the Chinese once again are a step ahead of us and figure out ways to manipulate the blood tests again. I believe the latter.
Has any one had any good stuff from China just yet ? I'm starting on some hygetropin 100iu kit from a fresh factory out there
Can't wait
WadeBEEI was wondering the same thing man....