+ 2 1 step closer to a better understanding of HGH and Bloodwork.
For you guys that missed it, in the past month or so me and a few other members are investing time and money, YES!, money to really try to get practical examples brought in regarding HGH testing, IGF 1 and serum levels on bloodwork mainly to not only detect real hgh but verify to some extent that it's bioactive. At first IKEMAY ordered some samples from hygetropin and had bloodwork done with amazing numbers, then gorrilafit just posted his results on the same hyges which this time were purchased as a costumer product and not a sample from the factoty, that sample came back with great results as well(20+) that were a pretty good match to research that has been posted before where an average of 8-10iu 3.5hours before testing should land a serum of anywhere from 17 - 30ug/ml. However I was hoping that gorillafit's IGF numbers would be 500+ just so there wouldnt be a shadow of a doubt but they were around 360 I believe. Dont get me wrong his IGF number results are out of range and fits well the results of subjects on that same study mentioned previously on this post, so everything points to a legit HGH product. To add even more data to this beautiful thing we are doing I have just ordered a IGF blood test since I have some Saizen available and would like to test the pharm grade saizen against the other brands we already have bloods on. Once we gather more data it would be nice if we could post all the info together in one big post for purposes of research, IMO it 's valuable info that can save other s lots of time and show the HGH manufacturers that we aren't messing around and we will not settle for bunk. Big thanks to all you guys that have posted related bloodwork so far and I will be on top of this making sure we gather all the info we need to weed out the bad manufacturers
ALSO WANTED TO TELL MEMBERS THAT ARE RUNNING HGH THAT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED YET TO STEP UP AND DO IT! YOU MAY BE WASTING HUNDREDS ON GARBAGE. THINK ABOUT THAT.
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Would another peptide like GHRP2 or GHRP6 effect serum and IGF-1 levels if injected at a higher IU dosage before bloodwork.
I doubt they could affect IGF-1 levels , Natural or man-made HGH is what causes your body to create IGF.
I don't think that sounds correct. Our bodies do a damn good job of keeping things in check without hormones/chemicals. I bet for most of us we would be very lucky to naturally be on the high side of the range. That being said guessing that Gorillafit is 35 his IGF may be 200-225 at best. I bet if we had more info on the IGF ranges 75% of the people are right in the middle.
You are correct at 35 200 to 225 would be in range.. According to his profile which we all know could be just make believe his age is 23 if i remember correctly..
Gorillafit should be seeing 500's on HGH even if he is 35 years old.
And I still think people on this board who are at the gym, low body fat, high protein diet have a better chance of being on the highend of natural production.
"Factors that are known to cause variation in the levels of growth hormone (GH) and IGF-1 in the circulation include: genetic make-up, the time of day, age, sex, exercise status, stress levels, nutrition level and body mass index (BMI), disease state, race, estrogen status and xenobiotic intake.[18] "
And my chart comes from this research..
Ranges estimated from quantile regression as shown in table 4 in: Friedrich n, A. D.; Alte, D.; Völzke, H.; Spilcke-Liss, E.; Lüdemann, J.; Lerch, M. M.; Kohlmann, T.; Nauck, M. et al. (2008). "Reference ranges of serum IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 levels in a general adult population: Results of the Study of Health in Pomerania (SHIP)". Growth Hormone & IGF Research 18 (3): 228–237. doi:10.1016/j.ghir.2007.09.005. PMID 17997337. edit
on that IGF-1 chart you posted all the high numbers are in the 97.5 percentile.
Doesnt that mean that only the top 2.5 percent of the population will have natural levels that high?
Yes that is correct sorry it took me so long to post but GH levels are usually higher in people who exercise, eat higher protein diet, have more muscle mass and less fat percentage.
Also found another interesting study so put down the Coca Cola it appears drinking soda lowers your natural IGF levels.
http://www.ergo-log.com/milkcola.html
Sorry if I'm wrong gorillafit.but I think he's closer to 50.
And I agree gorillafit's IGF-1 levels are great and the HGH he is taking is legit, I am just saying use google and search for other bloods you will see most IGF tests if done are not coming back not so hot. I think the quality from Chinese labs will always be hit and miss for HGH 1 vial ok another in same box not so hot.
Depending on age of subject gorrilafit is within normal IGF range.
Usually the better shape and diet you have the higher IGF-1 you will have in your system. So for many people on here I would believe baseline IGF for those under 30 would possibly be in the 300's anyway.
Added link to better layout
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/23208/igfranges.PNG
Reference ranges for IGF-1[23]
(in ng/mL)
Age women men
20 111 423 156 385
25 102 360 119 343
30 94 309 97 306
35 86 271 84 275
40 79 246 76 251
45 73 232 71 233
50 68 228 66 221
55 64 231 61 214
60 61 237 55 211
65 59 241 49 209
70 57 237 46 207
75 55 219 48 202
So are you saying tge hgh he tested is bunk?
If rips turns out to be bunk i think Ill bash my head with a dumbell.:) been hoping for legit hgh for awhile.
I am not saying rip is bunk just that the HGH serum tests are not a reliable indicator.. We need more IGF tests to tell.. That said I would assume most users on this board will be at the higher end of natural IGF production due to exercise and diet. I really think almost everyone should be testing in the 500's if taking HGH and under 50 to 55 years of age.
Why is GH serum not enough? what else could raise your hgh levels that high besides hgh?
See Below by FCVtec also do some searching with google and you will see the problem.
To be safe you want to ask for a GH serum and also a IGF 1 test. Biologically inactive HGH can have good reading on GH serum but no affect on IGF 1 numbers. You need have both to be able to tell if your GH is real or not. =D
Thanks.
Ill be getting my test done as well. When i get back from work IGF and Hormone test...
I am looking for someone with Great Karma Only!!!, that would be willing to try our Xerendip made by Pisa Labs at a deeply discounted price as long as they are willing to get bloods done and post.. This may not be the place to post this if so please let me know and I will edit and remove.
Ask FCVtec he knows a lot about hgh and testing it. Helps a lot of members with running hgh too.
So do I ask for a GH serum test?
Much props to all you testers...if it wasn't for you guys, then I would not have been buying GH right now. Saw the results on the Rips and had to throw down...again, much appreciated.
I am getting a second order of Hyge directly from .com.cn . It is gtg I have gotten major sides at 4iu. Hands got so numb at night I could not sleep. I will get a a test and post it. Are there states where you need a doctors order?
southernmuscle615those have already been tested..just do privatemdlabs though
southernmuscle615im bout to get some rips tested from AMG-BIO, a real popular domestic source from PM board, i feel really good about these guys, they look and behave legit, so look out for that next week or so. Since their US domestic, u can expect shipment within 3-4 days, or pay for overnight!
Hey I read a post where you said you were waiting for your bloodwork on the blue tops from Next Day Gear. Curious to know what the results were. I've been taking it for a week now, startws at 2iu's, and I'm wondering if it is underdosed.
I'll have both serum an igf with this one. but of course yours will be great numbers! but will be a great set of info to go by with other ug hgh
I'll have some more bloods hopefully within this next 3 weeks to month on rips and GG yellows when he gets then in an out to me.
Good info to have.My Bluetops are bought locally and are made by Saienke Bio they cost me $300 PER 100iu So am not saving money. I am paying for pharm grade and getting bunk. My supplier is a good guy and has good test and probably does not know it is under dosed.
The normal range for serum is 0.0 to 2.9 I just tested some UK Blue Tops that came in at 7.5ng/ml 3 hours and 40 minutes after injecting 8ius. That is triple the normal max, but you say 17 to 30 so is my stuff garbage?
Thank you to all you guys involved in finding us some good hgh. +1
Has a anyone got tests back on the RIPTROPIN I hear it is also a good product.
im getting them done as soon as I can.after they arrive. should be in the next week or so.
futurebeaston other forums. it typically tests >30.