posted Thu, 09/19/2013 - 10:54
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first time peptide cycle?
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hi guys been looking into peptides and it seems a cheap nice additive to my cycle that I start next month..
after reading up on internet, I think im going to use
ghrp 2 and cjc no dac
my questions are what doseage should I run these at? and when? before bed? morning? id rather use least amount of jabs as possible...
100mcg of each?
or would you recommend using one or a different peptide?
my goals are lean MASS
and would this be ED injections or just training days etc?
cheers
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Probably best thread to start from
http://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/peptides/ghrps-ghrhs
burn that post its full of personal OPINION.
and also what should the length of a cycle be? 12 weeks or?
3PUMPCHUMPAt least 6 months but preferably longer.
3PUMPCHUMPI am looking into this also. Just got a pack today but I am using ghrp 6 not 2. Most people say you use 100mcg of each 3 times a day. You can use more of the ghrp 2 to increase levels. Saturation dose is 100mcg. Injections are ED and you have to watch what you eat in proximity to your injections to maximize the gh pulse. There is a little info my advise is google that shit and start reading there is a lot to learn. Also you have to use both together because they compliment each other.
I've used in extent of 250 mcg of modgrf & ghrp6 3x a day.
GHRH modgrf, cjc 1295 DAC (plus a few others that arent as effective) cause a constant trickle also known as a bleed. You'll hear people say the bleed is bad for males which is BS.
GHRP 2, 6, Ipamorelin and Hexarelin all cause a spike in your GH levels.
I am a fan of CJC 1295 with DAC. 4mg weekly which is equivalent to 4ius daily of rHGH but its your own natural secretion not to mention it has a 8 day half life 2 2mg injections weekly.
"CJC 1295 with DAC. 4mg weekly which is equivalent to 4ius daily of rHGH but its your own natural secretion not to mention it has a 8 day half life 2 2mg injections weekly."
Im not saying this to be arguementive but other than the half life bit, that statements not true
I can also support the use of DAC.. So far I've used every Ghrp Ghrh Combo in the book and Cjc DAC with Ghrp2 Blows everything away! The results were vastly increased when Huperzine A was added to the protocol..
Heres some food for thought:
Some more support for Dac by Russianstar:
Written by Russianstar
Firstly lets explain what the peptide CJC-1295 DAC is.
Molecular Formula: C152H252N44O42
Molecular Weight: 3368.7
Sequence of CJC1295 (modified) without DAC:
H-Tyr-(D)Ala-Asp-Ala-Ile-Phe-Thr-Gln-Ser-Tyr-Arg-Lys-Val-Leu-Ala-
Gln-Leu-Ser-Ala-Arg-Lys-Leu-Leu-Gln-Asp-Ile-Leu-Ser-Arg-NH2
CJC-1295 is a GHRH (the 44-amino acid long version) with 15 aminos removed, thus a total of 29 amino acids, and bound to DAC it is also called Drug Affinity Complex, and CJC-1295 is often referred to as GHRH with Drug Affinity Complex, this essentialy lengthens its life span.
This is how its life is lengthened.
The modification of growth hormone releasing factor with D-Ala, Gln, Ala, and Leu substitutions at positions 2, 8, 15, and 2 create a much more stable peptide with the substitution at position 2 to prevent DPP-IV cleavage, position 8 to reduce asparagine rearrangement or amide hydrolysis to aspartic acid, position 15 to enhance bioactivity, and position 27 to prevent methionine oxidation. By utilising the Drug Affinity Complex technology to GRF, the peptide selectively binds to circulating albumin after subcutaneous administration, thus prolonging its half-life.
As you may notice its basicly semorelin with 15 aminos removed. This was because semorelin degrades too rapidly to really make it a viable cost efficient option.
So they bonded it with an attached 3-maleimidopropionic acid (MPA) unit, which results in binding to albumin after exogenous injection into blood plasma, and creates a far longer half life, this is the DAC, or druf affinity complex i made referance to earlier.
Now it works by this action as its a GHRH, or growth hormone releasing hormone, In the healthy human body, large amounts of growth hormone are stored in the pituitary. The cells within the pituitary release growth hormone in response to signalling by GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) Then the peptide Ghrelin is (of which GHRPs - Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides - are mimetics), inhibited from releasing these stores by Somatostatin. GHRH and Ghrelin act on different populations of somatotropes (GH releasing cells). GHRP and Ghrelin increase the number of somatotropes releasing GH but not the amount released by each cell.
GHRH affects both the number of secreting cells and - moreso - the amount they are actualy able to secrete. GHRH and Ghrelin are released in specific patterns that vary depending on what the person involved is doing, or has been doing post-exercise. Now CJC-1295 DAC has been proven to stimulate slow wave sleep, and this is the period of sleep when most of your bodys repairing work takes place on muscles and tissues etc.
Now most people can and will make GH in their own pituitary gland, but not everyone can release it in the amounts needed, so from a medicinal point CJC-1295 DAC can be very beneficial.
Now for its benefits to reach full potential, somatostatin needs to be inhibited because we have just seen it inhibits gh release, so by using a compound known as an Acetylcholineesterase inhibitor, now Acetylcholineesterase inhibits acetylcholine, and Acetylcholine inhibits somatostatin, so we want Acetylcholine in abundance, so by using an Acetylcholineesterase inhibitor, we allow acetylcholine to inhibit somatostatin, so increasing the amount of gh released when using CJC-1295DAC. Got it? Ok re read that last passage.
The best of these Acetylcholineesterase inhibitors and there are lots like..
Physostigmine
Neostigmine
Pyridostigmine
Ambenonium
Demarcarium
Rivastigmine
Phenanthrene derivatives
Galantamine
Piperidines
Donepezil, also known as E2020
Tacrine, also known as tetrahydroaminoacridine (THA')
Edrophonium
Huperzine A
Ladostigil,
Of the ones ive tried Huperzine A is the very best, and fairly cheap, now by adding ECGCs from green tea, as these ECGCs will transport the huperzine better so finding the receptor it needs the effects are even stronger on inhbiting the acetylcholineesterase.
Otherwise a really good one i used recently was Horny goat weed, its the only one i know that actualy increases acetylcholine as it inhibits the enzyme acetylcholinesterase.
Personally i rate this as my favourite peptide, you get nearly a constant surge in gh especialy if you add in say huperzine A, you get all the benefits of hgh, improved body composition, anabolic effects, injury recovery, improved skin, the full works, and at a very good price, far cheaper than real gh.
I have found that between 2000mcg -5000mcg a week has given me great results, increased bodymass over a 15 week period of nearly 9lbs, thats not weight gained, thats pure muscle and fat loss, You get all the same benefits of hgh, but you get them constantly, not just in one or 2 surges when you use the injections.
Now i would use this in fat deposits as i noticed a reduction when i did so quite quickly, and directly into a muscle with this is quite painfull to say the least, so thats a no no from me.
Expect to see results after just a couple of weeks, and the large amounts of igf-1 released will really add some muscle when incoorporated with a good diet and training regime.
There are no sides ive seen with cjc just positive ones except for the amazingly strong head rush you get about 20 mins after the injection, this a tell tale sign as to wether or not you have the real thing.
Remember the pulses are not as big as when you use GHRP-6, but rather its a continuous elevation of gh secretion peaking about 2 hours after the injection and staying elevated for 14 days. I use it 4 times a week in 500mcg doses and find this to be perfect for maintaining muscle when unable to train, say because of injury, and improving skin tone and health.
3500mcg is a far more anabolic dose and muscle mass will be noticeably improved after 4 weeks, and the skin will start to take on that shredded ultra thin look that gh users get before competitions.
All the benefits of real GH, less injections, less sides, a lot less money.... need i say more.
I hope you have found this information helpfull, i feel its one of the very best peptides if not the best.
Russianstars peptide rating 9/10
Kind regards RS
I'm curious to what you may know myself?
Where do you get your information from?
OK encourage you to prove me wrong and below is the jcem article that backs my statement.
Go ahead call my "so called bluff" prove me wrong random guy. where's your backing?
My boy at purchasepetides silenced the critics with the article on ironmagazine sometime ago.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17018654/ I hope you are a math major.
No probs, im fairly sure its covered in Dats forum,
im pretty busy at the mo, but ill post back next weekend, unless someone beats me to it
Dat is old news I've stated that on IM as well.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/research-chemicals/169854-cjc-w-out-da...