Very Low T Need Help Starting HRT program self monitored. (NO EXPERIENCE)
Im brand new to this seen! Im 48 years young and my testosterone levels are incredibly low! below 300 and most recently just under 200!!! Suffered a ugly divorce 3 years ago and could have cared less about libido and sex drive but since found a wonderful younger woman and my erections are sometimes very weak or extremely hard to obtain. My doctor says most likely its because of the extremely low T and prescribed me Testim gel....That was a joke! tried it several different times and saw very little results and didnt notice anything but a little more energy. stopped taking it all together because it was such a pain.Doctor finally agreed to give me injectable testosterone But thats it!! No Anastrozole... No HCG.... No B-12 ..... No nothing!! I guess he wants me to grow boobs next and have my body shut down completely from producing its own testosterone? Im so frustrated right now!
Doctor prescribed:
1ml. injection (testosterone 200)PER MONTH!!!
Wellness program recommended:
.8ml. injection(testosterone 200) per week!!!!
.5 mg.Anstrozole every third day
HCG 5000 500u 2 times per week
Methylcobalamin B-12 .4ml. per week
Please can anyone give me some experienced suggestions? I plan on working out very moderately also starting with mostly cardio. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! :-)
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Anon10ml test 200 brovel labs, 50 ml noradren 50 brovel labs. Numero uno stack in all of Mehico jefe. Take over 10 weeks
bigwillyif I may fellas. 2- 300 millagrams of test cypionate will change your life.mcdonalds will kill ya a lot faster then that will,lol. that's such a safe dose you don't have to worry about lab work and blah blah blah. once a week and keep an eye on your bp. at 50 years old you could continue on like that for????????????????
Hey Bigwilly,
Been out of touch for a few weeks here but listen man I get what youre saying but dont I need to have my estrogen checked and take other stuff along with the test C to keep stimulating my testicles into making their own test? And keep my estrogen levels down and keep my testicle size closer to normal??
Well dude, you and I were separated at birth, although I'm a year older than you. Same low T numbers, same stupid doctor prescribing 1ml a month of cypionate, no other knowledgable doctors in my area. I'm thinking of doing my own TRT after I do a ton of research, but I'm just scared to place the order. Any advice is really appreciated as well.
I have been on trt about 2 years now my doc started me insanely low and started doing my own dosage through sources on this site pm me and I will give you my opinions on some. Found a doc about 6months ago who but me on full program and seem to being doing good. Has me on 200 test a week plus hcg and anstanzole hoping to get that changed to Aromasin since my insurance covers that.
Hey, sent you a pm. I'm on a similar program now, but I'm thinking I've screwed up and overpaying.
Hi Herdpm,
Yeah it kind of sucks to be us huh!??? Here I was looking so forward to healthier mature sexual relations with the hot and bothered woman of age peaking with their own hormones and instead Im struggling to get my package working half of the time and feeling twice my age!! LOL!! Not really that bad but damn I wish it were easier man! Whats your plan of attack brother??? Are you taking anything yet? Im still waiting for advice of where to purchase what.....I get my test C from my doctor but hes not willing to work with me on the other needed stuff??? I dont get it? Well I do!! Theyre supposed to promote the $30 a piece hard on pills for the pharmaceutical companies!!! That will cost me a fortune with a 33 year old girlfriend that likes to get it on a few times a week easy.... Keep in touch man!!
Hey, sent you a friend request. Was feeling a little desperate and joined this clinic, which I'M SURE I'm overpaying for. I just started my TRT through them a couple of days ago, and I feel better already, but I'll go broke in the process. I'm thinking I could do the exact same thing on my own, with some knowledgable advice. Frankly, I'm scared to death of ordering. Any advice is appreciated from anyone.
Stan,
Check this link out for Proviron as well. It seems to provide some of the benefits you are looking for. Read the dosing and conditions info at the bottom, good stuff in there. This was posted by a Mod on this site, I think Nitti the Terrible.
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Proviron-Mesterolone.html
Thanks TD,
Now Im even more intimidated by all these steroids man! There is so many different things going on its hard for me to comprehend!! Im just barely getting the concept of the test C and other compounds that were recommended to go along with it and now the whole big picture is opening up before me....... I dont know what to say ???? I feel like I need to keep it simple and see what kind of results I get from the basic plan or a slightly modified plan to what these wellness programs recommended?? Maybe? One guy offered his cycle recommendation and it was similar to what was suggested by the seemingly knowledgeable coach from this wellness program I consulted.... Funny thing is I need desparately to get a detailed blood test completed I would think to see whats going on in full with me??? I had a simple blood test done for testosterone levels and from what I understand is that they need to check my estrogen levels and free testosterone and other key factors to see whats going on in conjunction with one another right??? Do you have an opinion on this ?? And where can I go to get the least expensive complete blood work done??? I have no insurance and Im on a budget here....:-)
See my post below re: inexpensive blood tests...
www.privatemdlabs.com
Thanks TD,
I did check this out from your last post to me and they dont accept residents from my state!! Whats up with that??? I wanted to ask you if I should be concerned with my free testosterone??? You said you didnt need to be concerned with PCT? Still learning the lingo man.... :-) Im still searching for other facilities that will do private blood tests but unsure of whats important and what really matters with all this stuff??? I have alot to learn I guess..... :-( Sucks!! I just want answers and someone who knows to tell me what to do.
"You said you didnt need to be concerned with PCT?"
No, I don't think I said that. PCT is very important, at least for me. I'm not on TRT, so restoring my testes functioning and getting my hormones and other blood levels back in balance is of primary importance for me. I'll be starting that in a week and a half. There is a link for people who live in certain states in the northeast US re: getting blood work done as there are several states that won't allow anonymous blood tests. It's at the top highlighted in yellow in one of the forums re: blood work.
I had similiar dilemmas when I tested 269 in June. I refused the gel, did research and decided to try 25mg Clomid every day. Endo prescribed and the next day I was feeling better. In July I tested at 797, this month I tested at 875. I feel great, I've never had libido issues so I dont know if it will fix that but it sure cured almost all my ailments and given me tons of energy...plus, no boobs. It's worth a try.
Thanks Brasho,
I will consider you advice and keep looking into this with an open mind.... Whats Clomid??? Like I said man I am new to all this stuff.....
Start with 100 mg per week - 2x50. After 3 weeks get blood work - test and estrogen. This amount shouldn't mess with your e. If you "feel" like you need more do 2x75. Test again in 3 weeks for e. Been on trt for 5 years no e problems with these doses. But everybody's different.
Thanks E,
My hair is very oily and my face is extremely oily too!! Havent noticed any real gain in erectile strength at all??? Ive heard that substituting test will make your body shut down natural production and really you gain no real benefit from test injections??? HEard it can make your estrogen go high too and play against you gaining erectile strength??? seriously getting more and more frustrated with all of this because every time I turn around someone else has some other suggestion???? I just want to raise my testosterone and get my erections back to normal!!! I am not a body builder or lifter. I am over weight by at least 40 pounds and they say thats directly connected to the very low testosterone levels too! More belly fat equals more sleep problems which equals more loss of testosterone..... Itd a viscous cycle....I just want help!
Thanks E,
where can I get inexpensive "complete" blood work done???
Do you have any other condition? Do you take statin for cholesterol? How is your weight?
There are a lot of things that can affect your T. I was taking statin and my total cholesterol fell below 100! Sounds great, right? Well, it also lowered my T to around 300. So, I did a little experiiment and stopped taking them for two weeks (substitute Niacin) and redid my labs. My T jumped to 450.
I just started DAA and will get my blood tested again after two weeks. I'm trying to see if I can keep my T up witthout having to take Test for the rest of my life.I like to save Test for cycles only.
Hey Just Gary,
No other conditions.... Take Ritlin for adult ADHD thats it. Blood pressure is fine over all health is good except im about 40-50 pounds over weight and cant seem to loose any of it no matter how I eat what.... Im learning this is classic syptom of Low T too??? Open for suggestions ....
Thanks
Abdominal fat is almost impossible to lose in the presence of low testosterone. The androgen receptors need to be stimulated for that to occur.
Thanks Why Not,
Thats what I have found to be true and have been informed as well...... Any suggestions on where to get inexpensive blood work completed.....????
what country?
USA
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php
Hey WN,
Thanks again! They wont do my bloodwork in my state!! Im one of the five states they wont work in???? Talk about bullshit... :-(
drive to a state that will..........road trippppppppppppppppp.
thought about that too but they require your drivers license for ID when getting tested and that will show Im not a resident??? There was another online testing agency that seemed comparable but I will have to check and see exactly whats apples for apples as far as the test goes??? You Know? Hey you mentioned maybe my recommended dose of test C was too high??? .8ml is more then 125mg????? I thought they were equal? Its Test C 200 How do I convert Ml to Mg??? Damn this shit gets confusing man!!! LOL!!!! And as far as purchasing these things are you allowed to tell me where to shop??? a friend of mine recommended
N_ _PS GE_R??? Coded for safety in case Im not supposed to mention that on here???? Thanks for all your help!!! Taking my boy hunting now...Be back later....:-)
I don't think they care if you are a resident or not I think the ideas just to verify who's getting the blood work.
Take whatever the dosage on the bottle is divided by 10 and that is .1ml. so if your bottle is 200 mg/mL then .1 mL is 20 mg. So then you would need .65 to start with.
Just look under sources any of the top five are good to go.
What are you hunting-hunting season is over?
I will check into that with the testing.... Thanks.
Deer hunting in Md. is open season until 1/31/14.... :-) My sons 14 and just itching to get one more before the seasons over.
Nice.......Good Luck........Great Protein right there.
Amen brother!!! virtually no fat.... :-)
Hey Stantheman.
I'm with Crayon below, lots of docs getting into this now without the requisite training and background to properly administer a good TRT plan, IMHO. You didn't mention anything about your mood, energy levels, atrophy/muscle wasting, etc. So is your primary concern simply about erectile dysfunction? Have you tried taking any ED meds? They can do wonders and some of them (cialis) for prolonged periods of time. She'll think you're superman. Otherwise, have you asked anyone for a referral for a TRT doc or clinic? I don't know much, but I've heard the clinics have some of the best knowledge given the volume of business and experience administering this stuff. Either way, good luck my man!
Thanks Timberdog,
Yes I have tried some ED meds and cialis is good and viagra too but I dont want to have to rely on these things. My whole quality of life has taken a shit because of my low T..... have spoken with several HRT programs and theyre expensive as crap and the medications are freaking more then twice the cost of getting the same thing off line or even through pharmacy???? I get my test C200 for $64 bottle....wellness program wanted $150 for the same exact thing???? same goes for all the other medications I believe I need....AT least double through a program. Plus outrageous prices for blood work too! Any suggestions??
Thanks....
Stan,
Here is a link for getting blood work done. I'm planning on doing it in 6 weeks at the end of my PCT to see how successful this power PCT program is. I've read that in order to get total Test as well as FSH and LH levels, the best value is to select the Female Hormone panel. Yes, that's right, the female panel. The male panel is 3x as expensive and doesn't include FSH or LH, which would be an additional cost. The female panel does not include free Test, which is fine for me in PCT. So you select the female panel, but when registering to get your blood drawn, you select your true sex, male in order to ensure you get your results. The lab doesn't review the test for which blood is being drawn.
I haven't been able to locate another low cost service for blood work, but I'll continue to look before I get mine done.
Hope this helps!
privatemdlabs.com
I feel for you buddy so I will help.
Start with125 mg of testosterone per week split into biweekly injections.
The day after your injection take .25 Adex.
HCG 150 IU 3 times a week for a total of 450 IU.
Supplement with Pregnenolone 30 mg twice daily
Supplement with DHEA 25 mg twice daily.
Six weeks into this get blood work done. Make the right adjustments with your testosterone as well as your E2. If your testosterone is low at this point go to 150 mg. You want to try to end up high normal range for testosterone, in the US that would be somewhere around 800.
Hope this helps you.
Thanks Why Not,
Heres what this wellnes program shared with me prior to complete evaluation with blood work.....
Wellness program recommended:
.8ml. injection(testosterone 200) per week!!!!
.5 mg.Anstrozole every third day
HCG 5000 500u 2 times per week
Methylcobalamin B-12 .4ml. per week
This is close to what youre saying might work well for me? What types of gear do I use? Brand names etc etc etc ..... Can you tell me on here? Is that against the rules? I was told to get prescription HCG because the rest of the stuff for sale else where is garbage???Is this true? All this is intramuscular correct? And what sized needles do I need for what stuff??? I never paid into this wellness program to get all the details because it was way too much money.They want $500 initially for blood test and doctors evaluation and then the cost for these four compounds for only 6 months was almost $1000.00!!!! They were charging $150.00 for test C that I get prescribed and purchase from the local pharmacy for $65???? I want to start the HCG but dont know what type to use and whats real or junk and where to buy??? Also should I use the Adex or anastrozole ??? Are they the same thing??? Please please let me know your personal thoughts on all of this buddy!! Thanks a million! Also what about this stuff clomid?? One other guy recommended this and said it did wonders for his test levels....Any experience with this stuff?? side effects?? Anything to help buddy please please please..... Kind of wondering where the older more experienced guys are that you would think know more then anyone are???? Seems like Im getting more response from newer guys then guys with higher numbers and ranking??? Oh well I just want sound experienced help from someones experience thats all.....
You are welcome. My protocol is better because it is less aggressive. Remember the idea of TRT is to end up in the high normal range. What they are recommending is too much AI and definitely too much HCG and possibly too much testosterone, it's better to start on the lower end and work your way up. Injectable B12 is a good idea and you can use it to mix your hCG. you also need to supplement with DHEA as well as Pregnenolone.
"I was told to get prescription HCG because the rest of the stuff for sale else where is garbage?" This is absolutely not true but you can very simply test your hCG with a home pregnancy test.
"And what sized needles do I need for what stuff???" sub-q 31g 5/8 intramuscular 27g 1.25" or 25g 1.5"
"All this is intramuscular correct?" you can do both IM or sub-q. The only thing I can say is if you pick a methodology stick with it because they will give you slightly different results in terms of half-life and peak plasma.
"Also should I use the Adex or anastrozole ?" They are the same thing one is a generic name the other one is a brand name. Start with Adex it is cheaper. Get blood work done. If your lipids are okay stick with it if not switch to Exemestane.
Clomid is great for a restart but not for long term TRT in my opinion. Too many potential side effects after 10 years plus of use. it would also depend on what type of hypogonadism you have. In other words it doesn't work on everyone.
Basically. Doctors are ass holes. Rarely giving the correct medication for trt patients
I cant agree with you any more my friend!!!! They just dont give a shit about a mans health period!!! Sell the pills !!! thats all theyre worried about!!! I dont need dick hard pills! I need a balanced hormonal health for good living!! My test levels are (or were) below 200!!! HE says thats not bad...... give me a break!! I want to reach and maintain 700-900!! Any suggestions would help man Thanks!
Iv seen this so many times, is he an endocronologist? If not, tell him hes a retard and you want to see an endo instead (a person who knows what they are talking about) and if that endo doesnt give it to you, keep searching for one that will. Thats all u can do mate or you could self medicate with a source here. But u shudnt have to do that, ur a perfect candidate for trt mate
Rustyhookerhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/general/introduction/help
Have you been readi.g/researching?
I have been researching and reading and found out that doctors are asswholes and thats why I am here??? I hear two sides to the situation. One is steroids are dangerous and you shouldnt mess around with them and the other side is its your only hope and you will feel better then you ever have once you get the proper treatment??? My problem is that "the proper treatment costs an arm and a leg through one of these so called wellness programs and the doctors are just idiots!! I am not real well educated on all this stuff but see that most body builders and athletes are? I do not have health insurance so I am working on a budget here man. I know there are different testosterones in your system or at least different versions of the hormone??? Right? There is like a free testosterone and at least one other version of it to be tested for?? I know that substituting test in your system causes your body to stop making it naturally and you should take something to help stimulate natural production. I think thats Anastrozole ??? and also use of HCG helps too ??? My levels are incredibly low! below 200 last test. I am over weight and that doesnt help. I do have horrible spells of fatigue and seriously tired spells "lack of energy" (fell asleep and side swiped a telephone pole with my brand new toyota tundra 2 years ago...I have loss strength....my mood swings are terrible.... get depressed easily....I ache all over sometimes and feel like im fucking 65 years old sometimes!!! I can continue to get prescription test c from my doctor but need to get started on all these other medicines to help balance this whole process out before i have any worse side effects or adverse reactions. so far its only very oily skin and hair and my testicles are about the size of damn almonds!!! They're shriveling away to nothing!! I dont know where to turn for in depth blood work when my doctor is refusing to cooperate with the additional meds. He says I have no business taking breast cancer medication for woman.....??? I understand it will help my body from producing too much estrogen but he says no studies have been conducted on this stuff and wouldnt recommend it? He also thinks Im fine with just pumping myself full of test c and no other treatment. I know better.... I have talked to several wellness clinic program peeps that have given me the basics on this stuff but want $500 to start with a blood test and more then double the cost of all the recommended medications / supplements / and drugs...... Just need a trusted experienced coach so to speak that can say do this and do that and get this from here and that from there.....you know???? I dont mind reading and feel I have heard enough about this to understand the dialect of the chats and so forth but learning this whole forums format etc etc etc is a bit overwhelming too honestly...You bashed me for creating four forums and not reading up on anything yet you havent heard what I do know or where I really am at with all this stuff. Please help man.... Dont belong to a gym and dont work out...Woudnt mind some cardio but have no interest in building or getting strong....I want to be fit and get myself healthy meaning losing weight and getting my testosterone levels up to about 800 or 900. I want my sex life back and dont want to have to rely on ED pills...I have heard you get tolerant of them and they stop working after a while anyhow?? can you give me some sound advice and guidance on who to turn to for bloodwork and what type of bloodwork??? can I manage a HRT program for myself and save tons of money??? Thats my goal.Im 8-10 weeks into test c injections bi weekly and got not much more then greasy ass hair and oily skin thats driving me crazy!! No tender nipples or itching of the nipples and no real mood swings or fits of anger that I can tell.....Just frustrated with being afraid of who to buy from and what to buy and when to take what.....Its different for everyone right??? My health is good basically. No high blood pressure no other medications except 20 mg Ritilin three times a day for ADHD. Now Im learning that memory loss and the ability to focus is symptomatic of low T also!!???? damn man!!!! I just dont know what to make of it all because its all so much to take in...... :-( Please tell me what you would do if you were me....
Thanks Stantheman....