Sub Q TRT SBGH Libido Estrogen
I will say this once and only once....
If you're doing TRT and having problems with your SBHG like I as then Sub Q is the way to go. My SBHQ was low and I was having problems with estro. My libido began to go down the drain about two years into my TRT. I believe it had to do with IM injections and the fact that I was probably overdosing which in turn over period of time would eventually lower my SBHG because too much anabolics will definitely cause decreased SBGH and taking 300mg a week was probably the culprit of my drop in SBHG. But even as I lowered my dose with IM my SBHG didn't improve all that much. I read a few anecdotal reports of people having really positive results with Sub Q injections and SBGH along with their overall TRT experience. Well, I have responded in the same way. Not only do I take about 150-175mg a week Sub Q but it's way easier and Sub Q per a recent study was absorbed at about 20% more than IM so I don't need to dose as much. My SBHQ has improved significantly from being at 14. My libido is WAY better and getting wood every morning and beat off more than I should (haha). Estrogen is way easier to control while doing Sub Q injections.
A lot of people don't like Sub Q test injections cuz they get welts, so do I. I decided to give my injections in my glute or love handles area and that has been a life saver! I still get welts but they aren't on my abdomen and they don't actually bother me. They take about a week to go away but they go away and they don't bother me when they're on my ass or my love handles.
So all of you that have had any issues with long term TRT I suggest lowering your test to the lowest level needed to let the body readjust and normalize and while also doing Sub Q which is way easier than IM. It's definitely worth a shot! I do injections three times a week M/W/F and that works great and injections are a cinch!
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You WANT to have low SHBG. You don't want to increase it because that means there will be less free testosterone circulating in your body. I wouldn't consider increasing SHBG to be an improvement.
It's not ideal. Low SBGH is connected to diabetes and other health problems along with decreased libido. It's great for building muscle but overall it's not ideal and I'd prefer mine be in the healthy range, but technically you are right when it comes to gains.
You're reading too much into the article It's the twice a week injection that levels your numbers out and gives you better bang for your buck. and helps with keeping estro levels in check.
Think of a car that is going 50 mph (peak level) over a period of time it slows down to 10 mph. Then you give it another boost and the car goes back up to 50 mph again.
A second car goes 30 mph drops to 20 mph gets its second boost goes back up to 30 mph.
The second car will use less gas and go further than the first. Why? relatively constant speed created by the dosing.
Fat soluable is how the testosterone enters the cell. Are you suggesting the test is going into your fat cells? What about the ester attached to AAS?
My doctor also is a big fan of subQ, but only because it is easy, relatively painless, and works AS WELL as IM injections. This is notable only because the drug was not tested for subQ by pharma and presented to the FDA for approval.
I was doing every other day at one point with IM's. All I know is that my body has reacted a lot better using Sub Q and Dr. Chyrsller has become a big fan of SubQ as well.
I don't know what exactly my ex said but she was suprised that anabolics were given IM and she believed from her experience with medicine that logically subq would be better because it's fat soluble.
I question that "fat soluble" definition. Most testosterone has an ester to control (slow) its uptake.
And I question the imagery that exogenous testosterone dissolves in your fat cells v. it "blends with fat" (think oil and water) making it capable of penetrating the membrane of a cell.
You could very well be right. I really don't know. I do, however, know that sub q shots have shown in two studies to be as affective as IM shots and one of the studies showed that it was absorbed about 20% better than IM shots. You could be right about the fat issue cuz I really have no idea.
This is interesting.
Did your Mrs. prescribe you 300mg pw? - That's not a TRT dose, so how did you get to that point?
You had estro issues.... you lowered your dose and changed to subQ inj's - so how do you know which change improved your situation?
There are so many factors that affect estro and estro management, but also that make subQ better or not than IM. Even bodyfat % (and aromatase levels as a result) make a difference.
No she didn't prescribe me that dose. I thought I could get away with it on a longer term which was dumb on my part.
I know that the subq improved my situation simply because I was using the same protocol with SubQ as I did with Im's. There could be another variable I am overlooking here but from my experience subq has by far been way better for me! I was close to stopping my TRT all together.
TheIncredibleHulkThis is insanity.
Sub Q test because you were clearly overdosing yourself on IM "TRT" ???!!!
Trt at 300 mg a week is crazy high. Blood work? Doctor recommended?
Also, I have never , ever heard nor read anything anywhere that would suggest sub Q injections are more absorbable than IM injections.
3 times a week injections for TRT??????? Whaaaa? Youre nuts bro.
Drop your dosage like a sane person and stick with IM.
Unless you like welts that last a week in your side because you are trying to reinvent the wheel.
Did you read what I wrote. Your post makes me think you're trolling lol
I know 300mg is high which is what I said in my post.
It is absorbed at a 20% better rate so you get more bang for your buck
Source: https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/get-20-better-results-from-testosterone This s recent.
3 times a week sub q is nothing. Do you not like tiny needles? And I dose it low so it's 50mg each time
I already said I had dropped my dosage. I have a feeling you're a big talker and not a great listener or in this case reader lol
TheIncredibleHulkWhat did I state that you misunderstand?
Talker not listener?
Doctor Recommended? Blood work? Nice no answers and continued reiteration of what you previously stated there sensitive guy.
You had problems because your dosage you started with @ 300 im, which you consider for TRT is insanely high. Dumb actually.
No doctor is ever going to recommend 300mg per week as a "trt" dosage
Right there, you obviously are misinformed.
So you would rather live with side lumps for a week due to 3 times per week sub q test shots (lol)? ok then.
Why no just drop your dosage like a sane person and use 1 -2 shots IM. You know, the protocol that has worked for everyone since the invention of Test.
Thank you also for posting your link to the one source , once, that ever stated Sub Q is more absorbable.
You really come off as newb. And a very sensitive one at that.
Your obviously set in your whacked ways, so enjoy the lumps bro. If you could use common sense for a moment. Think of this. If you have so many constant lumps that from a 50mg shot sub q that lasts for a week. How much better "absorbing" do you really think is happening?
Good for you bro. Enjoy the side lumps
Clear questions help.
Yes Dr prescribed. I got blood work which is why I know my SBGH was low.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, yes, as mentioned multiple times that it was not smart to use that doasge, get over it! Lol
DUH! My dr didn't prescribe that dosage which I chose myself lol
I much prefer small lumps that fade away after a week than buliding up scar tissue doing IM injecitons which is a hell of alot more work, Sounds like you like doing things the difficult way.
HOLY FUCK! I already said I dropped my dosage, genius! DO you even read what I write?! LOL I have already dropped my dosage brah! Read!!!!
Actually it did state that it is more absorbable so IDK what you're talking about and the study was concise, but you have already demostrated your lack of reading comprehension.
If I am so sensitive then why are you so insecure and need to insult and act like you're right?! CAlling people names and acting like you're hot shit. IDGAF if you think I am a newb, becuase if that were true, then you'd already be using subq becuase it's far better than IM
LMAOOO I'm done here!
You posted here and now you don't like the answers and comments you're getting? What exactly did you expect? Don't ask questions that your not willing to hear answers and comments to.
Acting like a child won't get you far here. -2
Nobody likes to respond to people that don't actually thoroughly read or remember what they wrote. It gets annoying. Its not the questions so much but rather the fact that they were answered in what I had already wrote. Hope that clears it up for you ;)
And had you read what I wrote you'd see that I didn't ask any questions, so what answers are you talking about?
I'm surprised you're even defending him. I think you are either him (you lol) on another account or a buddy, anyways I have had respectful discourse with everyone else on my thread because they didn't come yapping like a little angry girl that is all emotional. Sorry if I hurt you or both of your feelings.
And get far? Dude what are you talking about? You want to ban me or whatever go for it. Says a lot more about you than it does about me lol Just because you don't like what I am saying? dafuq
That's the exact dose my doctor prescribed me for my trt.300 mg test cyp once every five to seven days.Now granted I have a very liberal doctor.That dose kept my levels nice and high without any negative sides,according to bloods.I cant speak for sub q or not I've never tried it that way,always IM.
TheIncredibleHulkWell Manshit, Thank you. I am glad somebody responded to my original inquiry of Dr. recommended? Blood work? etc.
However, it certainly was not the original poster , who is obviously very confused. 300 mg for the majority of people is an extremely high baseline "TRT" dose. I am not sure what your baseline normal test levels are you for Manshit, but I would have to believe that your natural levels are extremely low.
At least you spoke to your doctor who you mentioned is liberal with his dosing (good for you) that who is monitoring you and your bloods. The original poster only had his "ex-girlfriend" who is a doctor(doctor of what?) tell him what to do. Guy talked to his ex-girl and read one article once so he is obviously an expert! Classic
I am on TRT. My testosterone blood leves, before I started TRT was 160. At 200mg of Test C, every two weeks, my testosterone blood level was 421. I am now at 300mg every two weeks. I inject 150mg of Test C weekly, to keep test level more consistent. I will test my testosterone levels soon, to see how I am doing at 300mg every two weeks. 300mg of Testosterone a week seems dangerous.
It has been a dream for me.I usually reach around 1200 to 1400 but usually on the lower side.When I blast other compounds I generally reach levels much higher but only for a short period of time.When I add other compounds I do however usually lower my test to 200 mg every five days.
I agree with you, and most doctors go with standard 200mg a week or every ten days.You are also right about extremely low natty levels.I was once like the op and I have myself to thank for the low levels.Leeped before I looked and ended up with low levels for life.
TheIncredibleHulkI smell what you are cooking brother. Good luck to you. Kudos on doing the right thing by your continued support of forums like this. Many will hopefully benefit from your experience in order to avoid the same plight. All we have is each other, brother. Keep on keeping on.
Actually funny thing is I never understood why the levels never returned to normal,until I started on this forum.I've learned a lot more here than my first four doctors could ever figure out.They all claimed to be endocrinologist,but had no grasp on hormone replacement.My current doctor is very good.I have found that some of the veterans on here have priceless information.Some get mad when they wont give them info but I fully understand.Young men have no business doing steroids and certainly not at the levels that some of the so called internet gurus tout.
TheIncredibleHulkBrother, I fully understand and appreciate your story. Our community , due to circumstances, is all we have. These compounds can be life changing and even life saving. That being said , they are indeed compounds with consequences. We all know that for young men, you feel bullet proof and want to go go go. Couple with boatloads of misinformation coming from insane morons with an internet following like Bostin Loyd touting injecting everything under the sun at mega dosages. The water can be murky indeed. Forums like this, our community, is truly all we have to look out for each other. I was fortunate to not "need" gear until almost 40. Now at min doses I live an incredibly higher quality of life. Knowing me as a young man, I would've blown myself out too. Shame that chemicals that have been around since the early 20th century are still lost on the modern medical community due to shortsighted legal restrictions. That being said, it is fantastic that you are out here , spreading the word, sharing your experiences, and trying to look out for others that may be in the same boat. That is what being a part of a community is all about. Good luck brother and keep on making it happen.
You're new to this site. Stop acting like you've been on here for a long time. Your title says new and BASIC LOL
NotNatural23Somebody on here just posted they did Subq test and he had lower test then his IM injections. He also did more test in Subq injections the. I'M. I would prefer Subq u use a slin pin right.?
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/get-20-better-results-from-testosterone
This is recent. I didn't believe it either but I tried it out. My ex girlfriend is a dr and she said that sub q was better because anaboics are fat soluable so its absorbed better. I guess she was right.
Ya I use slin pin and inject in my glute or love handle three times a week at about 50mg is the perfect dosage for me. It's honeslty worked miracels for my TRT and Dr. Chrysler is a big fan of sub Q