posted Thu, 03/08/2012 - 10:03
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Old Guy 1st Cycle need help!!!!!!!!!
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I"m 45 years old 6"1" and 250 lb's (25% body fat). Doctor put me on test cyp therapy because my testosterone level was @ 235 according to blood work. She prescribed 10mg Tamoxifen twice weekly and 100mg Test Cyp every 2-3 weeks. Needless to say this regimen hasn"t done much. Want to gain muscle and lose this fat before summer. Anybody got some suggestions for a 1st timer? Definately want to do some type of test, not sure if I should use Cyp or change to Ent or something else. Because of the "low T" should I cycle or just increase test dose to 300mg a week and cycle year round?
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The first thing I would rec is for you to make sure and do at least 45 minutes a day of cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. A glass of distilled water and a cup of coffee only prior to doing your cardio. Also make sure and try to keep your pulse rate at 122 or so. Make sure and drink distilled water during your cardio. That opens your pours and cleanses your body of crap. You will be surprised at how much you will swet during your cardio routine.
Next is your diet 70/20/10 is easy and will get it going for you. Plus a handful of Broccoli and Cauliflower at lunch and dinner will get those organs working and will help rid your mid section of BF.
my regimine is 150mg test e, arimidex 0.25mg , 350 ui HCG every 3 days. this puts my test at 1080. i recently wanted to blast 400mg a week so i added finesteride to protect my hair. since fin blocks dht, its leads to higher estrogen and test levels. my trt regimine with finesteride is 1300, so the 150 mg can be lowed to 100mg - 125mg every 3 days. blood work is the key. i rec you start low get your test levels to mid range or high normal, stay there a couple months and drop the body fat some before you cycle. do not neglect the blood work. do it often so you know were you stand and you can adjust your anti estrogen.
Anoni dont think your doc knows what a good trt dose is,,,really you need a good 200-250mg a week and you cansplit it into 2 doses to keep levels cosistant.. i wouldnt even fuck with the nolva that dose is dead wont do nothin..change it to arimidex/anastrozole @ .5mg every day or 1mg evet other day...try to eat clean..low sodium.. lots of water... good protein intake...multi vitamins, saw palmetto, milk thistle for liver health,, and take 1 aspirin a day.. i think the aspirinn helps with my bp
why tamoxifen @10mg twice a week?
and 100mg test c every 3 weeks??
doctors really need to be reeducated when it comes trt
tread-mIf you need to retest very often prop is nice in that you can drop it out a few days before tests and drop levels. Much to discuss in overall health and bf with sex drive and quality etc. I don't track posts so I'll check back here on occassion or you can PM me. Diet has to become your primary goal if you are to succeed though. Everything else will depend on that to a large part.
After a friend reffered me to this site I won't be going back to the Dr. What I need is info on how much and how long, what to do after the cycle ends. Will I lose the muscle mass gained? And there is still the problem of low testosterone just because of my age? If I blast then cruise what happens to the labedo while cruising?
tread-mThe sex drive in the cruise is the same as in the blast in that if everything is dialed in it is good. "Everything" covers a lot of ground. You have to learn to manage estradial, shbg, water, prostate swelling etc etc. Once you learn these things and begin to listen to your body based on your learning and personal experience it becomes pretty easy. For some people it becomes very easy in that you find your sweet spot in cruising that will need very little tweak once found and you find a sweet spot as to how often to pop i n aromasin or adex to control estro and shbg and you stay on top of holding water through that and salt reduction and healthy eating along with a dht control daily such as saw pallmetto with your supps and heart health and eventually what seemed near impossible becomes a daily easy routine such as brushing your tgeeth or eating or anything else you do. Its like anything else, the more you do it the better you get at it. We need some conversation as to the road map and once we get a lot of info from you we can talk about adding to your current situation whether it be prop or E or C and get some aromasin in route with your diet lined out and talk about drinking A LOT of water and reducing salt..then we run bloods to see how well you are achieving your goals based on our good guess work and tweak. You will begin to do better and better over the course of months and by the time a year rolls around, if you do as you should be in the discipline, you will be quite impressed with the new you. This stuff takes dedication but I can assure you its worth it if willing. All the compound stuff I can do in my sleep but you will be in control of the most important aspect which is the day to day water drinking, staying off crap drinks, eating good , working out etc. As to keeping gains and your question. You will very much be able to keep gains in the cruise between blasts. You will have the test available in the way a 25 year old does and as long as diet is dialed to goal and you continue the gym work just as big as in cycle you hold it. You can't however expect to keep gains if the diet falls off and the gym becomes slack, we need the same dedication (if not more) to keep gains as we had to get them. Change occurs with change. My new favorite saying when people tell me diet is dialed in is "diet is dialed in for what you see in the mirror right now, thats it". You can't say as many do, I can't seem to lose 20 lbs but diet is dialed in. No, its not dialed in if you can't achieve what you want, its dialed in for what you don't want which is that mirror! Lol so either PM me or go from here, get prop or long ester test or b oth in route along with some aromasin and not knowing your situation as you don't, order cabergoline at the same time to have on hand. I do need a lot more info though if you want help given we are all different, my recommendation would be for you specifacally outside the standard cookie cutter get some test and aromasin and much to ask to determine whats going on.
tread , I really enjoy reading your posts you are like a human encyclopedia..no homo
Tread-M I really appreciate the information. I think I am going to go do some blood work next week to see where I stand today. I'll get back in touch with you and monstar next week or when I have blood results. Stay STRONG!
After a friend reffered me to this site I won't be going back to the Dr. What I need is info on how much and how long, what to do after the cycle ends. Will I lose the muscle mass gained? And there is still the problem of low testosterone just because of my age? If I blast then cruise what happens to the labedo while cruising?
I've been cruising at 1,000 mg. a month for seven years. I had to stop because my doctor after all these years sent me a postcard for the urology clinic. Blood test was taken and test level was off the chart. He was pretty pissed and flamed on my "Buddies"! Doctor knew I was taking and said, "If you get off that stuff I'll put you on TRT for life. I get the medicine and the dose to be taken is 200mg!!?? a week!? OMG!!! I felt like hell with that dose and ask for 300 mg. a week!!! OMG!!??
Nothing! I was beginning to lose my very good mood and my muscle size. Asked for home injections, handed me needles and syringes. with a little instruction from a nurse. Now I'm back to cruising at 1,000 mg. and the blood test isn't due until June. I'll go to another clinic for the test to check on the test level and gradually bring it down to the 600mg. level for the other clinic. If I find that this is a little to stressful to do ,I'll withdraw from the TRT.
My libido isn't effected at all.
My woman insists that I stay "Stoked" lol