Not over 40 but low T?
I have been thinking for the past decade that I suffered form low T. I went into a doc a couple of years back and I was told that it was in the low normal range. Fast forward couple of years and I had a bad motorcycle accident. I was landed in a wheelchair. I was taking forever to heal when a buddy turned me on to some test. Showed me the basics. Anyway after a couple of weeks I was out of the wheelchair and back to work. Wounds closed and everything. I actually had a libido. I have been off of it since october and back to being tired drained and back to a very low libido. I went and got checked and found that I am in the low normal range still. I have the results here.
Free test 49.6 SHBG 37.00 and Test 348.00 ng
From what I have read on studies done on men in different age groups
According to all the charts I've read, I have the test of an 80-100 yr old man in the 95% range
I go to the dr this week and am basically going to say if they wont give it to me I will get it on my own.
What would your advise be?
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Sorry about my drunken error filled rant. I'm just going to my buddy. Says he'll give me a bottle for free.
@Sithis, brother, drugs aint gonna fix the problems in your life. Don't rush anything, and don't be impulsive! You're on the right path by being here, asking questions, learning, and putting positive voices in your head.
Health starts with your head. You know this. Then, get your body healthy, slow and steady.
As for jobs, they don't define you. They come and go. Sucks to get fired, I know, but it's true. Don't be afraid to think about self employment for the long term. And yes, I know, I know, it's easier said than done, but your boss (you) won't ever fire you (yourself).
If you ever wanna chat, PM me and I'll tell you all about the successes and failures I've gone through. It's just another voice to help encourage you not to be low.
You're right. I was just in a bad place. I am cleaning up my diet as of Friday. starting o try to lift heavy but unfortunately I have to take it super easy because of my injuries. it seems like life kicks you when you're down. All I can do is get up dust off and fight.
+1 for that, brother. Never give up the fight. Ever.
Even if you're moving slowly, or taking baby steps forward, you're at least still moving forward. Positive thoughts, always learn, and lift your ass off. Keep the television off, put the voices of great men and women into your head (podcasts, books, blogs, etc) and brush of negativity.
I know, I can sound like a motivational poster, but I'm serious when I spread this good mojo. I've been low and people picked me up. I'm just paying it forward to them. You're a man. Be strong brother, and get stronger, slowly and steadily.
Doc basically says it is low but not low enough. Found out today to top it all off that I mayt be laid off
This is complete shit. I feel hopeless. Not like I was trying to get roids from my doc. Shit, if I wanted it I could buy it cheaper on the streets. Have had a night of hard drinking. I know it's frowned soon but if everyone knew the half of my shit they would probably drink too. I can't believe after over 10 years of employment it has come to this. And the boss says just after the 1st of the year. Its like merry Christmas as whole btw you're fired. Damn. I think I'll get lost for a while.
Thanks anyway everyone.
-Sithis
Hang in there brother. I heard a good quote last night watching the game "tough times dont last but tough men do". Go to the gym, lift some heavy shit, take a deep breath and move forward. Dont give up because then all the shit wins!
Damn man... Well dont lose hope yet!! In the mean time work as much time as you can and save up to hold you over when 1st comes. Start looking for a new job don't just give up man. :/
@Sithis, the old fashioned "lift heavy shit, have meaningful sex and live clean" are the main ways to "boost testosterone naturally." You'll read that again and again.
Lifting: Squats, deadlifts and bench (incline, flat and decline). They use big muscle groups and your body has to respond accordingly to repair those muscles after you lift.
Sex: don't yank it to porn, and try to actually fool around with a lady who gives a damn about you and WANTS a connection. (Personally, I think this is 50% about physical touch, 50% mental about having a kick ass woman in your life.)
Live clean: no chemicals, no junk food, get enough sleep, blah blah blah.
This is all common sense stuff. I've been utilizing this approach for years and still have found my own situation declining as my 30s have passed me by. Hell, my dad's total Test was 650 when my mine was 320 last I checked. Some people just get their asses kicked. I'm one of them. But I'm not lying down as life passes me by. I'm here, reading as much as I can, and trying to encourage as much as I can.
I'm glad you've recovered from your accident. If you read for more than one hour here, you'll learn that everyone with experience using test says, AAS is no joke. Be patient, be smart, and educate yourself! you're in the right place.
I would be surprised if a Doc prescribed you TRT with those numbers. Yes they are on the lower end but docs still see it with the normal range so they will probably send you on your way. Try doing things naturally first. Here are some things to try:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/natural-routes-to-lowe...
Doc was gona trt me with levels of 350. Then I said no blasted some hcg for abit came back with levels of 440 then 2 weeks later at 367. Kinda fucked myself I think. Now I'm too high for trt.
I prefer to go it natty if I can. Don't get me wrong I still plan to pin but I would rather do it for gains than to be dependant on aything. Shit, I hate even taking pain meds like tylenol
Thanks brother. Reading it now
Exhaust all avenues to boost your testosterone naturally before becoming a slave to injections. I read you had a bad accident, were you on a lot of pain meds? I had both knees replaced a few years ago and my endo told me that is why my test level was so low. I was on pain meds for almost a year before during and after surgery. My general doctor never picked up on that and I ended up self medicating TRT. Could I have saved myself? I dont know now but in hindsight I wish I had pushed my doctors harder to get an answer instead of getting frustrated and self medicating. My endo now has me on TRT but its too low and they are all idiots. There is more knowledge here on this website that entire room full of endos.
Thanks. I would definitely prefer to have it raised naturally. I'd rather pin if I wanted to for some better gains rather than be dependant on it. I it's not that needles bother me. I just prefer to have everything functioning properly. I'm gonna do a lot of research on my end. I'm not lying when I say I'm drained or that I am having performance issues among other things. I know my diet isn't what it used to be but I still eat pretty clean. I'm glad to learn that my levels aren't in the dumps. I couldn't imagine how it must feel.
I'll keep everyone posted as things unfold
I know the feeling and it sucks.Some performance issues are not all testosterone related. I still have to get some help from the blue pill to make me 100%. Libido is good it just the performance that lags some times. I could do the job without it but it just doesnt feel or work the same. Good luck I am pulling for you.
These numbers aren't bad. I don't think any doctor will treat you for low testosterone. If you felt you had to do something, clomid would be a good starting point but again I think your numbers are fine.
Agree 100%
Clomid doubled my FSH and LH levels which in return raised my test of a two month time.
Sadly, that range is considered normal. Low Test can be from your diet, smoking, drinking, environment, stress, e.t.c. I was in the low 100's and even then my Endo was up in the air if he wanted to have me do injections. Fast forward to now and as much as I like being normal, I will never be as I will always have to have a needle near me every week. Its a blessing, but the biggest monkey on your back. Research test boosters and not the ones at GNC either. Before you decide to self medicate exhaust all your available options because once you do, you doom yourself to the rest of your life.
bigmurphI have been reading a lot about endo docs giving their patients clomiphene therapy instead of putting them right on test especially since your numbers are low and not bottomed out this might be something you can try.
It has your doc prescribe you clomid 50mg a day and take it for 2-3 months and in most patients it brought there numbers back up.
Mention clomid therapy to him if he doesn't want to do anything for you
Do you think starting off with just clomid would be better than going for the test right of the bat if given the option?
It is up to your doc also pharmacy clomid is pretty expensive too. But it will cost less than running test your whole life. Some ppl needles dont bother at all, others get annoyed of pinning a lot. Its really up to you and then your doc for you whichever route you go man.
bigmurphI really don't know enough about your situation to make that call see what your doctor thinks
The whole "i have the testosterone of an 80 yr old man" thing is BS. Testosterone cannot be measured by age anymore. The way the world is now endocrine disrupters are everywhere. Guys in there 20s have testosterone in the 200s 300s. So you cant really base it off age anymore. its all individual. Testosterone is also up and down all day. To get an accurate natural reading blood should be taken in the morning while fasted. Idk how your was done but theres a good chance it was not done that way. There is tons of supplements and things you can do to raise your natural levels. It just takes a hell of a lot more effort than taking an injection every week. So its up to you what you choose to do bro.
I appreciate that. Like I said This is just from reading and seeing charts. I am no expert nor do i claim to be.
I apologize for coming off as ignorant. I just am a bit uneducated in this.My test was done in the morning and yeah I was fasting. I am going for another on Thursday morning.
I appreciate every ones input
Age: 34 Height: 5'10 Weight: 174.1 BF: 14
Those numbers are in the low normal range. He will probably give you a script for that number if hes having a good day.
There's a lot of guys that for example should be in the 7-800 but have numbers like you but are still considered normal. Every one is different some need more test than others. Basically you will be playing endo on yourself like some guys do. So this won't be a cycle youre running and will need to source some over seas pharma test. Its medicine now if you go this route.
Thanks. I'm new to this and new to this forum. Your patience and understanding are appreciated
No prob man. Everyone was new here at sometime. I just wish I knew about this place when I first started. This whole site is a plethora of information man and also full of people willing to help each other out. I do also recommend searching for answers first though as some users will flame you for not searching. I wish you luck with your appointment and dont forget to chime back in and let us all know how it went!
I will. I am nervous for sure. But I am glad to hopefully be on the road to normal. I look forward to learning from everyone here.