not 40 but looking for trt help
i just wanted to ask a couple of questions and see what you all may have too offer.
im not over 40, im 34 but i just recently went to the dr and had a blood panel done and my level for test was 121. dr. isnt a specialist in trt is just the family/general dr. he offered me testim (the jelly)gave me 14 tubes on the spot no charge. and i was hoping to get a script so i didnt have to hide the use of aas from my wife.
i have been researching on the use of aas for the past year and was getting my blood work done before i do a 10 week 500mg test e only cycle. .i have never used aas before but since i have always wanted to i dont see why not using alittle more wouldnt hurt.this whole low t has throw a loop in my plans. not sure what to do. low t means replacement for life
well my wife doesnt want me to use the jelly so the dr said i should use a pill. i have read that the best repacement is the injectable followed by the jelly followed by the pill. so why isnt my dr offering me the shots.
if any one can provide me with a trt dr or info where i can find one in southern california area that is more knowledgeable. please show me to the path. because the word sex is nolonger in my vocabulary. and i am missing out on my kids childhood. i want nothing to do but be alone when i get home from work. life sucks but not in the depressed way.
stats
age:34
height:6'
weight:170lbs
diet:high protien,low carb,always full fat products,no sugar,no fast food,2400 cal
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update
first i want to say i love everyone one of ya bros and sis'
thank you for your help
i went ahead and started a cycle of
25 days 40mg/day dbol
500mg/week optimal labs Test E
im 8 weeks into it and loving life like never before. my wife is loving it to. the bad part is im hiding it from her.something just have to be that way.
i went over my lab results with the endo and she said no need for trt..
mmmmmm... 1 quack says no trt and the other gives me a backpack full of jelly.
the results i got from the endo were,there is more but i think these are the important ones, if im leaving something out please tell me and ill post them up.
Testosterone bioavailable w/shbg
testosterone serum total 365 ng/dl
bioavailable testosterone, s 193 ng/dl
bioavailable testosterone, % 52.9 %
shgb irma* 21 nmol/l
Luteinizing hormone lh
LH 3.5 miu/ml
FSH serum
FSH 3.3 miu/ml
Estradiol, lcms endo sci
estradiol serum ms 16 pg/ml
here is the lab results i got 6 weeks into it
testosterone serum total: >1500 high
LH: <0.2 low
FSH: <0.2 low
Estradiol 167.7 high
since this i have been taking 12.5mg aromasin EOD
any help would be wonderfull.
tread-mFor me personally I would be much more inclined to push you towards tbol over dbol. Dbol actually can play into your negatives and cause other trouble. At least you are employing aromasin to comat the negative chain that will occur with dbol, water, estrogen ,shbg etc etc....With no problems coming into this and very low bf with a goal outside of yours is one thing, but for your purposes tbol would be a much higher quality situation. Not the end of the world but with all you are working out right now with balance the dbol just seems goofy. I personally might spend some time getting "normalized" and then first out of the gate a simple test blast and then back to a stable cruise etc. Later as your life is in order and you aspire to build then we talk about other compounds. Bottom line; why complicate this until you have the knowledge through time to control it?
Update
Went to endo yesterday. Was shocked it was a woman. Couldn't tell by the name. Was something new to me.
Anyways dr. Was pretty adamant about me smoking pot. Asked at least 5 times if I smoke it. I don't and I have a job with pretty frequent random testing.She did get mad when I told I do b-12 injections. I told her I just buy it online. Why do I got to pay 20.00 every week to a dr when it only cost me 8.00 for 3 months. So she wanted some more testing to figure out why I'm so low at my age. I lost 60lbs in the last 1.5 years. And she said the t count should go up with weight loss. so hopefully the test show why I'm low.
Just got back from the lab they took 5 vials. Do I have any blood left in me. I have another appointment on nov 18th to review the results.
OE2000I'm no expert, will leave that to hrdbdygrrrrrrl. I have 8 years on you, have been on TRT for 3 years now and will be till the day I die. My experience has been great.... 250mg weekly of test-c works wonders, when running 500mg per week the only side effect for me is elevated blood pressure and slight aggression in certain situations....lol Not much acne at all unless I decide to use propionate, which makes me break out like a teenager, but also does wonderful things in other areas(you really don't want to know) To combat the blood pressure issue, low sodium, CoQ10, potassium rich foods, (white beans) avocados...but it looks like your diet is good! There is alot of help here...don't be afraid to ask! Hope this helps and good luck! ~~~~~~~later
are you saying you cruise at 250mg a week and blst at 500mgs? I have low t (300) and am considering a cruise and blast.
OE2000hrdbdygrrrrrrl knows her shit.... I LOVE her. But yes negaburn9, you may want to play with the dosages as hrdbdy suggests. Sometimes I get a hold of some real good Test-E, and I have to back it down to 400mgs (or even 300mg) a week. But this is just ME, you may be able to do 600mgs a week and not see any sides at all. Experiment, have fun with it bro, but be safe at the same time! ~~~~~~later
AnonYes, that is what he is saying. Keep in mind that everyone has their own "sweet spot" so you may have to play a bit with the dosages. This is pretty individualized so sometimes what works for one person doesn't work as well for another. You may have different side effects or none at all.
AnonThe testosterone replacement that you get from your doc will be just enough to shut your natty production down... You will feel great for several months until you receptor sites get saturated and then you'll start feeling the slide back down into how you felt before you got tested.. find yourself a doctor that specializes in hormone replacement therapy. In so cal there should be some with very good reputations. I think negaburn is over stating the sides from 500mg of test a week especially if you are low T. Most of the old timers here run at least 500 and more without negative sides, remember, they are replacing what they don;t have not adding extra to what they have naturally. There are lots of people that get injections weekly "for the rest of their lives" and are quite well adjusted and happy. Furthermore, while it would be great for everyone to have access to pharma grade AAS, the reality is that the greater majority of it is clean. Not to mention that bacteria don't live well in oils and that the water based compounds which are very few are the ones that show the most contamination.
Now if you decide that you want to go trt 4 life i would get the perscription for legal reasons and quality reasons. Anyone can order some test online but do we really know the quality. the answer is no. William Llewellyn's Anabolics book actually talks about many UG labs being tested and the gear of almost all of them was under-dosed and dirty (it had toxic levels of bad chemicals in the oil.) you do not want to be shooting up with that for the rest of your life. pharma grade all the way and with low t you can get it. remember 200mg every 2 weeks is try. anything more is a cycle. I noticed your age. a cycle of 500mg of test can bring about unwanted side effects. at your age are you ok with facial acne? i ask because this is a part of the game and at 34 its not normal to have. not everyone breaks out bad there, but you will break out if the test is real. The prob with test e and c is if you do have a bad break out of acne on your face it will take a while to clear up. A friend of mine did his first cycle ever at 41, his face broke out. not cool and it tool a long while to clear up. just things to think about.
TRT is for life. getting shots once a week for the rest of your is something you have to think about. Is it something you really want to do. With you T level a cycle of 500mg of test a week will do a number on the little test you have being produced.
wow thanks for all the input so fast..
update just got off the phone with a endo in my area. i have an appointment tomoorrow. they said to bring my blood panels from my general Dr. so i hope this will work.
i have no ideal why the t count is so low. i havent had no major injuries in that area. i do admit the performance length is probably on the very short side my entire life.
all i wanted was to add some solid lean mass. and this falls in my lap. we will see what the dr says tomorrow. again thank you all for the help. top notch site here. whoever created this is king. thank you
Good luck man,.................we will hold off sending popeboy over the comfort your wife.
34,......Damn, that sucks.
Anybody got any thoughts on a one time try to jump start the boys back to work.
Failing that, TRT in any form is going to be a life long endevour.
The sooner you can get to something near , say a 600 level, the sooner your life will start to come back to you.
Also, any idea on the cause??? Best to keep your doc apprised of what your doing, 1 high test result that is unexpected, could see you script disappear.
Lean on your doc, twist his arm if you need to to get the shots, everything else is pretty much a bandaid.
honestly i would just use that test as a fact that you need to start trt. I would just get it on your own, way cheaper, then just run some test every so often to make sure your on track. you can go to any lab and get them done for pretty cheap. i would start with test e at 250-400 and see how that works and adjust from there.
honestly going through the doc for trt treatment is way more pricey then just doing it yourself, half the times the labs they use arent even has good as the labs that we have access too. if you are not against injectables i would get some Test E and run that. I dont want to talk about your dosage as i have never ran trt. The man that you really need to talk to is Tread-m, he will give great advice. I have looked to him for many questions and always points me in the right direction without fail. But i am sure he will be on here shortly after i post this lol always happens that way, ha damn gorilla's
AnonI cannot prescribe your dose but suggest not going as high as 500mg/week. What you can gain by AAS is best done in pieces. The sooner you use more the more you'll need and so on. Go slow. Take it all in. I had great mentors and info and I am greatful for my path of less is more and still stick to it years later. BTW carbs keep your muscles full and your brain on high :-)
You can google TRT in your area, it should pop right up. Most likely a TRT CLINIC will pop up, those are cost effective but not as private as a endocrinologist. An endo doctor can do the same thing but like i said you'll have a bit more privacy. Clinics aren't all that bad though, if u dont mind sitting in a waiting room with a couple other guys in the same boat as you. Good luck brother, im sure everything will work out for you.