endogenous vs. exogenous?
I was at the gym today and talked with a guy who owns a pharmacy and blends his own compounds. Previously he had advised me to go to my doctor and get a script for the test gel he makes (similar to androgel). In my conversation with him today I mentioned that I had started doing a lot of research on the trt subject and was contemplating pinning my own test as I didn't see how going to the dr once a wk would be any different. He said I shouldn't inject test for long term therapy as it is exogenous and can cause cancer in the long run. He claims the stuff he mixes is identical to the test our bodies produce wtf? He said he shot cypionate for a few mos and his prostate started to get enlarged. I know theres always the possibility he's trying to sell me his goods as he works together with my dr.;=) but i wonder if theres any truth to what he sd. Any thoughts?
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Anonreading the responses below, I dont know what to think.... can someone make a final ruling on this?
Anonwithout going back to look at the research, researchers are saying that exogenous testosteron application causes cancer ( I ll make an effort to find the studies) ..I believe the same issue has been associated with women's hrt and so it is the same for women in a sense, FDA and big Pharma, don't want women to know that bio identical hormones are safe because they can't patent it and sell a script for several hundred dollars. They release the studies that hormone replacement using premarin (which is synthetically derived from pregnant horses ;-( has been shown to cause heart attacks... ... but if you are asking about exogenous vs endogenous... that's basically asking for a dictionary definition.. if you are asking about whether or not to use testosterone, test cyp, test enethate, etc etc.. You have to do the research and decide for yourself whether or not it is the truth. keep in mind here that most cancers can be neutralized through diet, one that maintains the alkalinity and ph balance, cancer can't live in an alkaline environment makes you wonder what else they aren't telling you.
a very well kept secret in the industry is that 90% of all clinical trials never make it to the light of day and the majority of the trials that do make it to the FDA, are the positive ones with a few negative or neutral ones thrown in to make it look good.
okay.
sorry if this has already been beaten to death, but I have been trying to make sense of this, and have seen that blood pH is supposed to be 7.30 to 7.45, which is only slightly alkaline. Now, if blood pH goes well below 7.3, we develop acidosis, and higher we develop alkalosis, both conditions that are medically unsafe for the body. So, what levels of alkalinity produce these results for the destruction of the free radical cells?
also, if free radicals are still formed in this range, 7.3-7.45, how would the cancer cell itself not be able to survive this pH after mutation?
I am interested to know what would cause the cancer formation, though, as the only thing i can think of that would produce free radicals from exogenous sources would be the possible mutation of the unused enzymes? complete guess, but i can't see any other function that would be affected, as mostly, it looks like health and immune factors improve...
Anonthanks for responding, I definitely need to do a lot of reading. The thought of cancer is scary for sure, do you think that there is a difference between using watson and UGL as far as cancer risk?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonNo, I don't. but I m not sure I believe "them" when they say that exogenous testosterone causes cancer.. and like I said above cancer needs a specific envirnment to thrive so a person has the ability to excercise some control over the situation.. but myself and a very small population of folks are croweded out by a very large gov entity ..
56tooReally I feel that if something causes cancer, or whatever other disease for that matter, those assholes (govt., fda)are probably not gonna tell you. They want people sick so the people that line their pockets (Big Pharma)can make the money selling drugs for it.It really is amazing the wool the govt. tries, and succeeds at, pulling over our eyes
AnonIf you ever find those articles, I would really like to read them for myself. I had planned to go onto TRT when I hit 35, thats coming up quick
Anonyou should go by blood levels not age gtcali.. would make more sense.
AnonI hear ya GRRRL, 35 is when I suspect that I will have trended down into the levels that TRT would make sense....Id be happy to put it off as long as Im still feeling good.
Well gRRRRRRl, if Test without ester is a bio identical and not prone to cause cancer, are you saying it is just the esters that cause cancer??
The reason I ask is because, a lot of the esters are used for artifical flavoring.
Wiki : "Ester" and there is a list of flavors they deliver.
AnonI thought it was because of the higher levels of DHT....I need to keep reading
Anondht is a factor..
Anonthe test that is syntheticly derived is what the studies are referring to.. dunno if they are calling the whole thing synthetic plus the ester or not, studies don't differentiate . so the issue is who is telling what story .. I have to do some digging around to find the studies indicating exogenous testosterone therapy causes cancer... I don't buy it.
Ahhh gRRRRl, everything but death and taxes causes cancer, ...............even breathing clean air cause cancer.
AnonI wish I hadnt just wiki'd that....FML.
Anonwiki isn't always the best source for stuff.. I have found errors
Anonexogenous.. made outside of the body ... yes, there have been studies that have shown taking exogenous test does cause cancer (No don't get your panties in a wad here and say I said using GEAR causes cancer),.... endogenous.. from the inside, in other words what you produce (or don't)
as for the "Risks" of using a bioidentical gel .. they are mininmal in relation to getting it on your wife and kids as out of 1 tube of gel which is 50mg you only absorb 10% ... it gets stored in the fatty tissue which brings levels up. It is considered a bio identical hormone which means that it is the same thing you produce naturally... test cyp/test e/ test prop are not bio identical and are considered syntheticly derived.. so TEST is not TEST.. when it comes down to it.
The saying "test is test" springs to mind. Spreading the stuff on your skin sounds like a fairly inefficient way of getting it to where you want it, not to mention the risks of getting it on the wife and kids etc. Sounds like the guy is full of shit IMO
No1Steroids dont ''cause cancer'' and yes it is identical