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Thanks in advance for any replies. I’ll try to make this short and sweet. I was an athlete most of my life and when I wasn’t playing sports I loved a pretty active lifestyle. I never went more than 6 months without hitting the gym, not lifting heavy just trying to stay in decent shape. In 2018 I weighed 185 fast forward to the beginning of 2025 and I had ballooned up to a very day and unhealthy 262. In those 7 years I went through a divorce, moved across the country, lost my job during COVID and just started feeling worse and worse each year. No matter what I did in terms of diet and exercise nothing was working to shed the pounds.
I did a lot of research online into what the hell was wrong with me, including thinking I was just slowly dying. I had every symptom of low testosterone you can imagine. I finally hit the bullet 2 months ago and had an extensive blood panel done certain I had some terrible degenerative disease. To my surprise all of my bloodwork came back in the green except for one thing…my testosterone level was 79, yes, 79.
I immediately got on TRT, I had already changed my diet and lifestyle on Jan 02 of this year (no drinking, low carb high protein diet) including slugging around at the gym lifting an embarrassing amount of weight, always exhausted with little results.
My Dr. prescribed me a weekly dose of 200MG testosterone cypionate stating that I should start feeling like a new man in 6-8 weeks. He was half right, I started feeling like a new man immediately after my first pin of 100MG 2x per week.
I started hitting the gym 6 days a week and 2x per day twice a week so a total of 8 lifting sessions per week with a minimum of 10K steps a day with a high protein diet, zero alcohol and very little carbs. I started feeling like my old self and getting that pump I missed so much. Unfortunately my workload and diet weren’t reflecting on the scale so I decided after much research to up my game. I ordered some gear off OSgear. I’ve done from 262lbs to 232lbs in 45 days. I’ve also lost inches from my waist and gained inches where they count.
I’m new to using any supplements/hormones so I’d like some advice on the plan I’ve designed for myself with the goal of getting to a ripped 185/195 with 12% body fat. Below is a list of what I’m taking and how often. I did a lot of research but I can really use some advice from you guys that know first hand what works and what doesn’t without going overboard and damaging my health.
- 500MG per week of testosterone cypionate 250MG 2x per week
- Anavar 30MG per day (plan on running for 10 weeks)
- SARMS S-4 50MG per day, 25MG in the morning and 25MG in the afternoon (8 weeks)
- Sermorelin (peptide) 20MG 5x per week in the evenings
- Amlodipine 10MG (low dose blood pressure medicine) once per day
- Anastrozole 1MG once per week (estrogen control)
- Muktivitamin, calcium, L-thenine, zinc, omega fish oil, D-3, Magnesium
- Protein isolate zero carb/zero sugar 250G per day
- Rogaine daily to hopefully prevent/mitigate hair loss
*Please provide me your opinions and if there is anything else I should be taking and if so how much for how long? Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this and respond! I don’t have any friends or family that knows anything about this so I’m doing this on my own and would greatly appreciate any feedback. Thank you!
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Hi Superand, I don't have much knowledge or experience with cycles but think I can offer some perspective.
"My diet is dialed in, all about protein and greens right now until I burn off most of this disgusting fat." & "(no drinking, low carb high protein diet)"
Are you tracking calories? Do you know about the concepts of maintenance, cutting, bulking ect? Calories in vs Calories out that sort of thing. I had a weight loss experience myself where I went from 265 to 185. I wasn't working out yet or taking trt just tracking calories and remaining in a deficit consistently. "262lbs to 232lbs in 45 days" is still really good. Losing 1-2lbs a week is considered a healthy rate. I think if you just stay consistent and determined you'll make a lot of progress even without the cycle, so keep it up.
"I know this is probably impossible to answer but considering my testosterone level was only 79 (pains me every time I think about it) how high do you suppose they are after what will be 3 weeks of the 500MG test"
The actual amount in you're blood is unpredictable (maybe within reference range, maybe over) but the amount you are putting into your body is measurable. Test cyp is a long ester and it takes a few weeks to reach peak concentration in your system, but it also takes longer to leave your system, ie half life.. Check out steroidplanner.com, it shows how over the course of time the level builds up based on the ester & dosage.
So I put the info you gave us in the planner.. and basically if you've only been using 250mg every 3.5 days for 2 weeks after using 100mg/3.5days then it would take 9 days from your last pin until you reach the trough or (lowest concentration right before a new injections) as your prescribed dosage was. IE when your were on 100mg every 3.5 days you would go from ~16mg to 24mg..when you started injecting 250 you went from ~40mg to 60mg concentrations.. So if you want an "accurate" blood test with your trt doctor, wait 7-9 days since your last pin of 250 theoretically you will have the amount the doctor prescribed in your system...
You said your next shot is due Friday so I assumed you pinned 250 on Tuesday.. based on the planner if you don't pin and just wait till the test on Thursday, you'll be right where the doc prescribed you.. but it's all subjective, you know this would only matter if you wanted to know what you're levels look like at 200 instead of 500.. I don't have any experience trying to skew bloodwork for a doctor so please take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.
I think you're on the right track being focused on your health and working towards your goals.. I will be following along
Holy catfish Mojo, congrats on your weight loss journey, you’re a LEGEND!!!
Thank you for the deep dive, funny enough I found the same calculator you used earlier this week although it was a little confusing when I started adding everything I was taking but your example is clear and concise. That also solves the bloodwork issue with my Dr. for next week! I do want to know what my levels are while on a higher dosage and one of the guys on here provided me with some resources where I can get my own bloodwork done outside of my TRT doc.
I’ve been doing little else on my free time outside of work and husband responsibilities other than working out and both reading and watching everything I can about weight losss, body building, overall health, etc. I think I’ve watched over 109 videos alone from renaissance periodization on YouTube with Dr. Mike (highly recommended) among dozens of others. I finally decided it was time I got some answers to my questions from you good people.
I’m definitely in a calorie deficit on any given day. I haven’t sat down and calculated exactly where I need to be at but I’ve been eating the same meals except some variations at dinner for the past couple of months. I’d calculate that my daily intake is no more that 1,600 calories with no less than 200G of protein. A lot of my calories are Whey protein, chicken/steak/eggs and green leafy veggies. All of my carbs are coming from veggies and a handful of blue berries/rasberries/stawberries. I’ll eat the fruit maybe 2-3 days a week with plenty of vitamins and minerals mixed in.
I’m feeling much more energized at the gym. Some of that is the physiological results of having a normal/elevated test level and equally is the psychological component knowing that physically I have what it takes in the gas tank to push heavy weights and get the desired results.
From what I understand, you lost all that weight naturally without any hormones?
Right on man! You seem locked in! RP/Doc.Mike definitely has some good resources for the gym.. for whatever reason I don't respect or like his opinions/advise about steroids/PEDs.. Have you ever watched Vigoroussteve or moreplatesmoredates.. the latter has some great info on hair loss preventions since that is something you were looking into. Yeah I just recently found this forum too and think it's a great place for info & guidance.
Yeah I lost all of that weight just cutting calories.. it was pretty aggressive.. ~1600-1825 per day where my maintenance is around ~2600 at least now with how active I am. I was not nearly as hypogonadal as you though.. My total test levels are 250-350ng/DL and I'm 10 years younger.. there's a lot that factors into that. Thanks for the reply!
Thanks for the recommendations I’m going to search for the dudes you suggested this weekend when I can finally get through this work week.
Noticed the pic of that vial you posted. I’m new to all of this but outside of my TRT script I made a couple of purchases from OSGear and can recommend their Beligas Test Cyp 250 and the Optima Anavar I purchased from them if you were looking for a legit seller and high quality products. Had to pay with Bitcoin which was a bit of a learning curve but everything went through smoothly and I had everything delivered in about 10 days.
Are those your testosterone levels right now? Are you thinking of going on TRT?
Yeah no problem. Thanks for the info.. I think it's against the rules to discuss sources or the products in the forums, I don't know if what you said would be considered that but just fyi.
After I lost the most of weight I had my blood work done twice months apart. First time it was 350 second time it was 252ng/dl.. at that point I started to consider self prescribed trt. I was reluctant and weary of injecting myself so I tried Enclomiphene first, which is a SERM and often used as a PCT.. I got post cycle blood work after the enclo and basically wasn't happy with the results or how I felt.. so I went with option 1, self administered trt. I'm injecting 50mg EOD, almost two weeks in.. going to get blood work again at 4 weeks and I'll proceed from there.. if everything looks good I'll titrate up to a higher dose.
Where do you want your test levels at
Thanks, that's a good question. I need to find out where this current amount gets me.. But I'd like it within the reference range say over 500 and I'd probably like it at a supraphysiological level too. I'm really just waiting to see how my body reacts as far as the health markers, I want to be as responsible as possible.
Eod with long esters is foo foo. Im at 75mg a week, 1 pin and stable 850. Imo going higher just complicates estrogen and lipids
Really you don't subscribe to the whole injection frequency reduces aromatization theory? Just something I heard. I've yet to experience any gyno or edema.. I'm taking 10mg of tamox 2x a day and might be holding more water weight but I'm only on day 12, I guess I'll know more when I get blood work. 175/week might be overkill if you achieve 850 with only 75!
Rhetorical question, Are you guys the same person? You guys write awfully similar.
Good question dude, it may be my clone and unfortunately the one who’s in better shape.
Don't just start taking the arimidex just cuz. You should go off the blood work. Or the symptoms if you start getting high estrogen symptoms.
Maybe throw some coq10 in your supplement regimen.
You plan on taking the anavar and s4 in the begining at the same time?
What made you want to take s4? Why not just take winstrol?
BRO, your back is HUGH, looks like a tortoise shell!!! Solid!
Thank you bro.
Just keep going and yours will be there. Compound moves. Focus on the squeeze and stretch of the back muscle. It's something you really have to focus on to get big cuz you can't see it and get the connection. I would close my eyes even back in the day and just feel the weight pulling and stretching my muscles in my back the focus on fully contracting and squeezing.
That’s the day, activating your back muscles instead of using your arms. When I’m doing a row or a pulldown I’m really allowing my back/lats to stretch out. And when I’m compressing I’m thinking about all of those back muscles and damn if it doesn’t work! Just this morning I’m finishing some lat pullldowns and when I got up between sets I could literally feel that little tingle in my lats and that’s when I know I’m doing it right.
In a few weeks I’ll muster up the courage to post some pics but I have to say that I have a naturally defined back (probably from caring all that fat up front), so I think I’ll have some pretty decent gains there…nothing like you bro but your pic is definitely motivating the hell out of me. A buddy of mine used to always say that everyone is all about the pecs and biceps but the back is like the body of a truck. Sounds weird but always made sense to me and I still remember that some 30 years later.
Thanks for the encouragement, once I get past this work week I’m planning on DMing some of you fellas on the weekend. It’s good to have the support and to learn from guys that have achieved and surpassed my goals.
I started taking the estrogen blocker because it was prescribed along with the 200MG of test cyp. Thanks for bringing that up because it was something that I was wondering about. What type of early onset symptoms would trigger me to start taking the estrogen blocker? From what I’ve read it’s important to have a healthy level of estrogen in your system, is that correct? In all honesty I have enough body issues to overcome and didn’t want a pair of tits on top of everything else --
Why I didn’t get Winstrol: couple of reasons - I was worried about taking too much gear and secondly I wanted something to help me cut the fat while allowing me to put in as much muscle as possible. Var & S-4 seemed to be cutting agents and pretty mild. I’ve also been trying to avoid or minimize sides. Other than crappy sleep (which I’ve had for years anyway) I’ve thus far avoided any side effects. I think that’s partially due to having such low test to start with that I’m playing a lot of catch-up. I have a demanding professional job but all I’m thinking about lately is hitting the weights and getting the best physical results I can. My motivation went from 0-100 overnight.
Yes, 7 days ago I added 30MG of Anavar per day along with 50MG of S-4, 25MG an hour before I hit the gym at 5am and 25MG around 3pm.
Another dumb question: where to pin and how deep. I keep reading conflicting information, including my Dr. He suggested injecting subcutaneously in the belly fat or in the fatty part of the glutes. Other places say the thigh or even in the shoulder. I assumed that intramuscular would be more effective so I’ve been injecting towards the middle to upper thigh.Sometimes I don’t feel a thing, other times it hurts like hell for a few days after with a knot. I obviously rotate injection sites but am I right in assuming it’s better to inject into the muscle rather than the fat in my stomach?
If your cycling doing multiple milliliter infections obv you have to go in the muscle. I do the quads hips and glute. Also pec. I used to like doing shoulders allot but it got so hard for me to do cuz i got too big. Honestly i like quads and chest cuz it gives me the best angles to inject and see what I'm doing without straining to much.
I draw with a 23g 18g tends to destroy the rubber stoppers and you end up with shit floating in the oil by i did used to use 18 at one point. I use a 27g 1 inch for injecting. If it's only 1ml. I might just use an insulin pin pull the plunger and put the oil in and put the plunger back so the tip doesn't dull on the rubber drawing it out.
If your cruising doing 200mg a week or something in a couple shots you can do the shots sub q.
But you don't want to be injecting anything over .5ml sub q. At least for me.
This is all purely my opinion on how i do things take it with a grain of salt. As you go you'll get all your own Lil tricks you'll like doing everyone got em. They're similar but a Lil diff. You'll see.
That’s all good to know, I had the same experience with that thick ass needle breaking apart the rubber on the vial. I ordered a bunch of syringes from Amazon that came with a 23g needle and that’s what I’ve been using to draw. The needle the Dr. sent me to inject is only about a 1/2 long which I’ve been using to inject in my thigh where there’s very little fat. Do you think I should use the 1 inch instead to get deeper in the muscle?
What’s strange is sometimes I inject and feel no pain during or after but sometimes it’s the opposite, like now I have what feels like a lump on my leg and it’s painful as hell. I heard it called PIP but I honestly don’t know why I get it sometimes and sometimes I don’t. It’s not going to stop me but was just curious about why it redone happens.
I was a little bitch with needles when I started but I’ve grown more accustomed to it now and actually look forward to the days when it’s time to pin. Always feel like I get a little energy kick and some extra motivation to move those weights.
You might be getting lumps cuz is not deep enough. If your doing more than 1ml. Def go 1 inch.
And sometimes it hurts a Lil. I've clods nerves in my legs and the muscle contacts and feels weird you wanna pull the thing out asap. Lol
Gear is meant for IM, not subq
Thanks Simon, my TRT Dr. said I could do it in the muscle or pinch a roll in my stomach and do it there. It just made more sense to me to pin in the actual muscle, thought it would be more effective.
Looks pretty good, I do not have experience with sarms so I will keep away from that. I do not see anything about an Ai, so may want to look at getting some aromasin and or arimidex for e2 control at that dose of test. Also, one product you could look to add into your daily vitamin regiment would be Acetyl L-Carnitine.
Edit: i see you have your e2 blocker. My b
Your dr will most likely strip off your script. And if he writes down youre using mail order steroids you can jeopardize your insurance.
Var is harsh on lipids. Over 6 weeks and bloods will be looking really bad.
I’m paying out of pocket, not using my health insurance. I’ve only been in Var for the past 7 days, if I pause taking them until my bloodwork next Thursday do you think it will show up in the bloodwork? The blood panel he initially had me do with Labcorps was very basic. If I remember correctly it only looked at 10-13 areas and the only thing that was redlined was my testosterone. My next shot is scheduled for Friday morning. If I wind it back to 100MG (my original script) and take that dose on Friday and same dose the following Tuesday with the test being on Thursday do you think my bloodwork will come back more legit to what my testosterone should be? Again, my testosterone was 79 to start with.
Will the 50MG of SARMS S-4 show up in my bloodwork? That’s something else I can lay off of until after my bloodwork?
*Last question, in your experience with my goals in mind (down to a lean 185/195lbs), what do you think about the cycle I put together?
I doubt the lipids change drastically in 7 days. Theres wesites that can help with halflife on roids to adjust clearance times. It sounds like youre doing excellent on just your trt and hard dedication. Typically after a big drop like you made your body can stall. Keep focused and clean solid diet and after bodys used to status quo it should slowly keep burning fat off. I saw a bunch of forums by an ifbb pro on here that looks spot on. Use magifying glass up to to find MAKWA and then click on his name and then to right on his main screen, see his forums. To make it pro the foods have to be rock solid so thats where id look
Thanks bro, everyone on here has been really helpful. It’s good to have a community of knowledgeable and kind people you can lean on. I feel like I wanted so many years in denial and now I’m rearing to level-up as quickly and safely as possible.
My diet is dialed in, all about protein and greens right now until I burn off most of this disgusting fat. I’ve been taking cringy pics every few days to log my progress. I’ll start posting them on here once I have a couple that look halfway decent to motivate others.
Don’t mind sharing your story and cycle if you’re comfortable? Do you think the “supplements” I’m taking is a good and fairly safe combination?
How long have you been running this cycle? Have you had your bloods done yet?
No, haven’t had my bloodwork done since I started the TRT. I’m scheduled for next Thursday (a week from now) and I’m honestly a bit nervous. I’m not sure how my Dr. is going to react since he only prescribed me the 200MG of test per week and the estrogen blocker. I bought the extra test cyp, and Anavar from OSgear. Not sure if you’ve had any experience with a Dr’s reaction when you have additional stuff that may show up in bloodwork that he didn’t prescribe.
He will likely lower your prescribed dose. Unless you’re brutally honest with him about everything you’re doing. I’d only recommend that if you have a very long standing rapport with this doctor. End of the day you ordering (hypothetically speaking of course) from OSGear is/was illegal activity and some (probably many) doctors would get squirrelly. At best he’s gonna just tell you to stop and that you shouldn’t be doing it.
Bloodwork can be ordered off websites like marek or walkinlab or others. You go to quest or labcorp, get the blood draw, and get the results directly to you. No doctor needed. Then you only get the doctor bloodwork when you’re running standard doses and not blasting.
I feel pretty good on the 500MG of test. I doubt a Dr. would actually write me a script for that much but I would really like my test to be around 1K-1,200 once I’ve reached my goals.
I’m not sure if you can personally understand what it’s been like having test levels of just 79. Talk about feeling horrible in every aspect you can imagine. Now that I’m finally addressing the issue I’m so motivated every day to hit the gym, diet and how much I love to feel that pump and watch my body transform from a wad of chewing gum to start resembling a man again. My wife loves the fact that I have my enthusiasm back not to mention my sex drive.
Not sure how so many dudes on Dr. prescribed TRT can take so many “other” supplements while still keeping their Dr. which is exactly what I want to do, until I reach my goals at least and then maybe a cycle or two a year after that. I guess it’s a matter of dialing in your timing if you know when your bloodwork is scheduled in advance.
I’ll respond to both of your posts on this one to keep things simple:
- I’d imagine you’ll be 2,000+ at the moment. 200mg/wk typically puts most in the 1000-1500 range. Tests can be capped at 1500 or uncapped depending which method paid for. The cheaper one is capped at 1500 so you might come back as “1500+ ng/dL”
- Advice on goals: honestly with a ~70 test level even the 200mg/wk woulda been enough to reach your goals. It takes a couple months for you to really reach homeostasis when first coming on TRT. Then you’ll just keep making those steady gains. You probably were getting some serious glycogen and water retention in the muscles, so you didn’t see much change in the scale at first but if you stuck with everything the changes would happen. Would take 12+ months with the fat loss goal you have, but you coulda got there on 200mg only. Not bashing you for diving in the deep end cuz we’ve all been there. I’d just stick with the test only (least harshest thing to run) and then once you get your body fat goal start experimenting with the other compounds for fun/shits and giggles.
- Don’t run var for 10 weeks. It absolutely wrecks lipids. It’s a good 4-6 weeks finisher for a solid cut though. Once you get close to your body fat goal then you could add it in and really reap the aesthetic benefits from the compound.
- You’re correct. A doctor won’t write script for 500mg test. 200mg will likely put you at/over your goal of 1,000-1,200.
- The people on here who are on Dr prescribed T just time their cycles so they have a good 6-8 week cruise period before their yearly check up with their doctor. When you first get on TRT the checkups should be more frequent while you get things dialed in. Then it backs off to 1x per year because know they know the status quo. Cycles usually are 16-20ish weeks. Realistically you could run two of those in a year with your doctor checkup being the start point of your next blast after cruising on TRT for ~8-10 weeks from your first blast. If you get in to short esters this obviously changes that math significantly.
- Don’t start popping AIs unless bloodwork dictates it. Anastrozole specifically can negatively impact blood cholesterol levels. Only use if absolutely needed. Being above the E2 reference range isn’t inherently a bad thing. Being so high that you get negative symptoms is a bad thing. But you can’t correlate a normal reference range of E2 to test levels that are 2-3X greater than their reference range. The body craves balance.
- You can get away with high dosing and less AI by simply increasing shot frequency. Instead of 2x per week, try 3x, or 4x all the way up to ED dosing. I can take 200mg/wk split in to every day dosing and not need an AI. If I do it in 2 shots per week then I need an AI. This response is already getting long winded enough for me to explain why that is.
Lots of us here are happy to help. You can friend request any of us and DM for more support when/if you need it.
Goodness, you make me want to jump on so bad. Great advice and noted!
Dude, you look huge in your profile pic. If you can get away with being that big on nothing then you’re blessed, wish I could but my test was only 79, F-that! Feeling much better, much stronger and getting that awesome pump I haven’t had in years.
Haha thanks, brother! Been trying hard lately and recently got on “doctor prescribed” HCG to boost mood/libido/energy etc…, but want to cruise on some test to see where it’ll get me.
I appreciate the kind words!
I’ll definitely DM, thanks brother!
Thanks so much for the thoughtful and concise reply. I also appreciate the length, I’ve been doing this by myself since I started and I’ve had terrible body dysmorphia for years. I don’t remember the last time I took my shirt off in front of anyone, it’s that bad but for food reason. Having been an athlete in my younger years and at least lifting weights for much of my life to this has been really tough so I sincerely appreciate the support and encouragement.
You’re absolutely right, I could have stayed on just the 200 and taken a year to achieve my goals. Truth is that I’m so damn motivated to get results that I decided to jump into the deep end of the pool.
I’ve heard that parlance “blasting” a lot but I didn’t know what dosage was considered blasting. I knew that 500MG was decently high but didn’t know I was in the blasting territory. Do you mind sharing what if anything you routinely take and what your personal goals are for your physique?
You’re right, I was storing a lot of water because the intensity/frequency of my lifts, basic cardio and diet under normal conditions should have taken a lot of weight off the scales. It finally started coming off the last 2.5 weeks I’ve gone down about 14lbs. I attributed some of that to the last week of Anavar and S-4.
Say I drop down to 200/250 test per week, is it okay to finish another 5 weeks (which would make it 6 weeks total) on 30MG of Anavar and 50MG of S-4 to help with the fat loss? If so how often would you run Anavar cycles in conjunction with the test (I’ll be on TRT for life most likely) per year? And what about the SAMRMS S-4, what are your thoughts on that? And the yearly frequency if you think the S-4 is a good idea.
My goals are a solid 195lbs, decently ripped, strong with 12%-15% body fat.
“Blast” would be anything over your TRT test dose or adding additional compounds on to it. It’s not tied to some arbitrary mg amount.
No steroid increases fat loss. Anavar being a “cutting” steroid is because it’s not highly anabolic and mostly gives a look of being dry/hard. So it is used typically used during a cut. I do all my cuts on my TRT dose test + HGH (anywhere from 4-8IU/day dosed once at night before bed). My dose used to be ~140mg/week, though I’m getting bigger, and thus my TRT dose is increasing to maintain my size. So I guess I’m more of a “cruise” than an honest TRT these days.
You’d be amazed at how easy it is to get down to, and maintain, low body fat with just TRT. Especially if you dial your TRT in to be in the 1,000-1,200 ng/dl range. It’s night/day different than being natural. Even compared to your younger athlete days. It’s amazing.
Now that you’re in the big leagues of doing real steroids, I personally would leave the SARMs alone. Steroids are tried and true and have decades upon decades of either real research or anecdotal evidence as to their efficacy. Plus they just flat out work better. SARMs are an attempt to emulate steroids without actually being steroids.
I have taken pretty much everything except for the crazy orals and Tren. All depends on my goals. Which are only ever mass gaining or athletic performance. I’ve played baseball and football competitively. Then Olympic weightlifting. And now recreational basketball as I’m older. Though not much currently due to major injuries to my right knee/hamstring.
OMG bro, just saw your pics…damn dude, if I can look half that good I’d be over the moon!!! Advice received and advice will be taken, you obviously know what the hell you’re doing. That’s exactly the physique I want.
That’s crazy you were able to achieve that on a standard TRT dosage. My ears did perk up when you mentioned the HGH. Other than the blood, sweat and tears you’ve put into the gym, would you say the HGH was more effective than the test or is it the combination of all the above? How long did it take you to get to that level? Thankfully cost isn’t an issue for me but I’ve heard legit HGH can be a little pricey…
Not sure what we are and aren’t allowed to discuss on here but let’s say someone wanted to get gear and they went to, for example a site OSGear, would you know if all of their stuff is legit or does is it all about the manufacturer. Beligas and Ultima. I’ve read that those are legit products?
Sources like OSGear are middlemen and just sell big name international brands like Beligas, Nakon, or Ultima. There are also other big name international brands. All the generic HGH comes from the same couple places in China. The brands just take their specific box and put the stuff in it. We can’t get in to more source detail than that here but via DM we can talk openly, and I’d be happy to point you in so many different directions you’d just get a headache. Meaning good sources are a dime a dozen these days.
I’ve been lifting consistently with no breaks for ~22ish years. 18 of those were completely natural. I’ve been using gear for just about 4 years now. So I already had a solid foundation. When I got on TRT with 200 ng/dL test levels I was ~200 and ~15% bf.
I have cut to single digit body fat without HGH. It doesn’t make a huge difference. But it does make a noticeable difference in how easy it is to cut down to single digit body fat having done it both with/without HGH. It also makes sleep and recovery so much better too. IMO it’s worth it and I’ll run it year round from now on. Every January I buy a years worth and stash it in my fridge. Takes up the whole cheese drawer and pisses off my wife lol. Some others on here have bought a dedicated mini-fridge for HGH/peptides. Many just buy 200-400 IU at a time. Plenty of solid and cheap sources on here (with lab testing) for HGH.
Oh man, I’m definitely DMing you this weekend once I can get this crazy workweek behind me!
All that time and effort have paid off for you BIG TIME! That’s a crazy physique that most guys wish they had. You also have some superior genetics from the looks of it but despite the gear, genetics, that physique is pure work ethic and dedication. Like I said dude, if I looked half that good I’d be stolked!!!
I’m obviously a newbie and I had an inkling that OS was a middleman but I was happy as hell finding them after a week of research and almost getting scammed on a couple of occasions. I’m willing to pay top dollar for quality over quantity. I bought a couple of test cyp 250 and a couple of boxes of var 10MG x100. Figured worse came to worse I was taking a placebo but I’m 99% sure the products are legit. That’s how I found this website and the reviews on here for OS were really good.
I’m glad everyone has been so awesome and welcoming on here, I feel like I’m not alone on this journey. Thanks for all of the advice! I’ll DM you for sure this weekend and appreciate in advance whenever you have a moment to reply. ----
Thanks for the insight and recommendation. The labs I have scheduled next week are for the Dr. since it’s the 2-month checkup.
I know this is probably impossible to answer but considering my testosterone level was only 79 (pains me every time I think about it) how high do you suppose they are after what will be 3 weeks of the 500MG test and the 30MG per day Anavar?
Also, do you have any advice on what I’m taking to reach my goals? I did a lot of research and read a lot of posts on here and it seemed like a reasonable cycle. I pasted it below for reference:
500MG per week of testosterone cypionate 250MG 2x per week
- Anavar 30MG per day (plan on running for 10 weeks)
- SARMS S-4 50MG per day, 25MG in the morning and 25MG in the afternoon (8 weeks)
- Sermorelin (peptide) 20MG 5x per week in the evenings
- Amlodipine 10MG (low dose blood pressure medicine) once per day
- Anastrozole 1MG once per week (estrogen control)
- Muktivitamin, calcium, L-thenine, zinc, omega fish oil, D-3, Magnesium
- Protein isolate zero carb/zero sugar 250G per day
- Rogaine daily to hopefully prevent/mitigate hair loss
Thanks for the reply. I started out with prescribed testosterone cypionate 200MG split in 100MG every 3.5 days for x6 weeks. Bumped up to 500MG, 250MG every 3.5 days for the past 2 weeks. Anavar 30MG 7 days ago, SARMS S-4, 7 days ago. Sermorelin, 6 weeks. Anestrazole 6 weeks.