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23 year old needs help

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Hello
I am 23 standing at 5' 10" and 215 pounds
I have had an issue with low test for some years now.
This all started after a meat head shop sold me several cycles of very heavy pro-hormones and lied about what they are or how they would effect me at the young age of 15. I was young and believed them for awhile and ran probably 4 or 5 cycles before I got a little smarter
Ever since then I have had an issue with low T
I have ran a couple of cycles after my pro-hormone days properly with a solid PCT and time off. (This is NOT what did the damage to my test levels)

Recently I ran a cycle of test and EQ.
I came off with a heavy PCT of Clomid at 100mg and Nolva at 40mg for 4 whole weeks and then halved the dose for another 2 weeks. So 6 weeks total of PCT and it is now about a week after getting off my PCT. I took this approach to PCT instead of running a full two weeks and another half two weeks because I know I come off cycle to low test to begin with so I try and give it a little more

Today I went to a low T center to get just my overall testosterone checked
It has been something I wanted to do for YEARS and for some reason never have.. I have just sucked it up and lived with it... This is something I do not want to do anymore. My total test came back at 276 ng/dL

TRT is not something I want to start at my age for obvious reasons. I am asking y'all if there is a second PCT I could run. I guess the biggest PCT I could run for a last ditch effort to see if I can get my natural testosterone levels to something reasonable...

23 years old with the levels 276... NOT good. I literally have no sex drive. When I am on the road traveling for work I force myself to watch porn about once every three weeks so I don't forget what an orgasm is lol
When I am home with my girlfriend we only have sex when she really pushes for it... I never initiate it. I sometimes just don't want sex and have ED issues because it is so low (which I don't have when on cycle at all) I also have sleeping issues, fatigue, and unusual sweating which I think is also caused by my low T but the sex drive is the worst part.

Any advise for me?

TheoryOfMind's picture

I did not use pharma grade but I can tell you that I have in the past and it wasn't much different. Still came off with the feeling of low T just like I am now. Also the transition from on cycle to off was actually REALLY smooth. Didn't really have any crashing symptoms (I have experienced a bad crash). I think if I had bunk clomid and nolva it would have been MUCH different. I think I would of been more tired and had a lot more mental issues like depression ect. I am out of state now but I am heading back tonight and will be back tomorrow so hopefully in the next 4 or 5 days I can get in to see an Endo. Im sure they will do a full panel for me.

TheoryOfMind's picture

Thanks for the kind words man. I am going to give this the best shot I can to see what happens. TRT is not something I want to do at 23 or really even 32 in your case. I just cant live with the test levels i have for the next 20 years or so until im in a "normal" age range to start TRT. Ill keep y'all posted when I can make it to an Endo in the next couple of days.

irongame427's picture

Damn bro I'm sorry to hear this. It's not really you're fault most 15 year olds who were into lifting would have fallen into that trap. It's been so long now man, idk. I think the best thing to do is go to a good endo who's fimilar with hpta restarts. If that doesn't work You could try something like triptorelin, hmg, there's a lot of options out ghere, torem, Clomid nolva aromasin hcg. Not all at once but we could probably put together 2-3 protocols over a 8-12 months to run but even then man it's been so long I just don't know. I'll do whatever I can to help. You must be patient in this situation.

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Yes I need to be patient but it is difficult in this situation. Im headed back home and have an endo in line for when I get back in a couple of days. I hope there are a couple other options to work with other than TRT to try to save my natural test levels. Thanks for the support and if I don't get any good advise or direction ill definitely by hitting you up to maybe throw a couple protocols my way.

irongame427's picture

Good luck bro hope it gets better. If they can't help shoot me a pm an I'll do what I can.

Trapsquatch's picture

Real world advice:Go see a doctor,Taking pro hormones at such a young age may have affected your endocrine system.More than likely you shut your self down or really took a serious blow.They might give you some options and trt could be one of them.Whats your diet like man?Is it full of the Healthy fats your body needs to produce hormones such as testosterone?I would say make diet changes amongst a few other things.

TheoryOfMind's picture

Yeah I am going to go see an endo in a couple of days. My diet is pretty good. I travel a lot for work (like 9 months out of the year) so I definitely eat out more than I should but for the most part I try and stick with healthier options like subway or a good grilled chicken salad.

Trapsquatch's picture

'I try and stick with healthier options like subway or a good grilled chicken salad."
Your answer tells me you know Nothing of a good diet to promote your natural levels.
Which is okay because we can work on it,So look my friend may I suggest a total fat intake ratio of say 35-40% of your daily caloric value.Now I would like to see you get that from Whole Eggs at least 3 a day,Avocados,Nuts(Peanuts,Cashews,almonds) Olive Olive oil.Remember bro testosterones precursor so to speak is cholesterol.You need those Healthy fats it will make a HUGE difference in your natural levels I promise you that (Assuming there is hope for your recovery)...I doubt your your diet is good when people make blanket statements like that it is usually a recipe for Complacency.You need always to want to improve if you want to avoid trt then take a serious note of what I am saying.Yeah hcg etc can and will help but your diet Plays a more critical role in your natural hormonal response so I want YOU to research healthy testosterone promoting fats.Make a switch bro 40% protein/40%fats/20%carbs download "my fitness pal" and track your intake of Mono/Poly/saturated fats Get the majority of your fats from Mono

TheoryOfMind's picture

Yes you are correct. I am not on a super healthy or test focused diet. I just eat healthier than the normal American especially for being on the road for so much time a year. Ill defiantly take what you are saying to heart and Ill head to the store tomorrow to start getting myself some things to change my diet up to take in more healthy fats. I really appreciate the help.

irongame427's picture

I agree, diet change can do some good. Lots of good fats.

Op do a lot of reseach on diets and test levels.

Another thing when did you get bloods drawn? Your test levels can vary by as much as 200ng/dl if you got them done at say noon compared to 8am or so. In other words if you got blood drawn later in the day your true test levels could be in the 500s.

TheoryOfMind's picture

I got them drawn at about 11am or 1130. He did say they can fluctuate but he said that even if it did move in my favor he doesn't think there would be any way I would hit the 350 mark to be in the "normal" range.. Even though 350 ISNT normal for a 23 year old.

TheoryOfMind's picture

I crashed a long time ago man. I should of got bloods from the beginning you are right. I know I have been low since like 17 or 18 though because of the pro-hormones.

The doc said he would be hesitant to treat me because of my age but he would. I am currently in another state so he cant treat me I just went to get them checked. I just don't want to get put on TRT and I am looking for some other option to give my natural test one more good shot.

juiceball8082's picture

Go see an endocrinologist if the low t doc can't help you. You are low my friend and trt maybe your only option. It sucks that this is your faith because your are young.

TheoryOfMind's picture

Yeah it really does suck. What can an endocrinologist do for me besides put me on TRT? Is there anything I could try like clomid and nolva again with HCG (which I have never taken) or at this point with me already running a pct and how low I am it wouldn't help that much anyway?

TheoryOfMind's picture

Yeah running such a high PCT protocol I didn't think giving it a second hard blast would really help much. Thanks

juiceball8082's picture

I was gonna say maybe a Clomid protocol but i don't know how promising it will be. Best advice is see a doc and discuss your options bro. Good luck, Low t sucks and i know how you feel.

TheoryOfMind's picture

Yeah I don't know how promising it would be either. Especially with the heavy nova/clomid regimen I was on. Im really open to trying anything though... but i am also not looking to waist time or money for raising my test just 50ng/Dl... I mean I am 23 that isn't shit for me. I should probably be around 800 at my age.

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