posted Tue, 05/28/2013 - 15:58
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Lets settle this!! Can your own muscle use stored bodyfat to maintaine and grow?? Fact, Fiction or Bullshit??
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Just curious as to everyone's opinion on the matter that you can grow muscle/ perserve muscle useing stored bodyfat is it possible say being in a calc deficit and while on cycle. I overheard someone in the gym saying ooo just throw on more muscle it will eat the fat away. Can this be true?? What's ur thought on this??
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RustyhookerDudes probably confusing what he's saying with a parrot on shoulder. More muscle will need/burn more calories.
Have him explain it again. Lol. Think a communication gap happened.
Throw on more muscle to eat the fat away? Maybe. It won't eat the fat by any means but putting on more muscle raises your basal metabolic rate a good bit which would make it easier to burn fat in the long run.
Bodyfat to preserve muscle? No. You can replace burning carbs with fat a bit during gluconeogenesis but lipids can't replace proteins.
AnonI would like to laugh right now. Shoot... If that was the case, I'd look like Andreia Brazier by now!!
I call bullshit! Your body will use any extra bf as energy and burn it up in the event you aren't eating enough but using it to grow? I'd have to see the proof.
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BigBmajI usually tell big guys to get bigger before they lean out. I've read the opposite many times but I usually see this working best. Putting on 30 lbs of muscle will certainly help your metabolism when it comes time to lean out.
Someone mentioned needing 1000-2000 calories for normal brain function. That's probably true but I have seen obese people do very well with a 500 calorie a day diet. I thought this was a terrible idea when I first encountered it. But I've seen it work well. And people kept the weight off.
The only reason body fat gets broken down is when your body needs it for energy. First it will go after glycogen, then any consumed proteins fats and carbs (mostly carbs and fats). After that it will break down a certain amount of muscle for energy and THEN when nothing else is left it will break down fat. (of course the order and rate of metabolism varies between individuals)
But to answer your question NO stored bodyfat can not "maintain growth".
Amino acids and glucose are needed to construct muscle tissue.
Bro have you taken basic biology in school?
Chaz32621Lol I took basic biology way back in 9th grade in high school now I'm a jr in college studying computer science all I needed in the science aspect was physically chemistry lol, shit ton of math tho. Took all the way to calc 4, combinatorics, and two semester's of linear algebra one and two. When it comes to amount of ml per week and how much gear I need shit I can do that in my head.
hehe okay just making sure.
well anyways the body works in a weird way. Like I said below your body will use glycogen as it's primary fuel source. It will break down foods next carbs and proteins and fats as well. After that is all used up your muscle and/or fat stores will get broken down. Everyone carries a certain amount of muscle before their body breaks that down for fuel.
Some people hold muscle well and the body goes straight for fat stores. Other's are the opposite. But unfortunately no your body will most likely not convert stored fat directly into muscle it just doesn't work like that. Like srg said below, enzymes break down fats. Some people have higher amounts of these enzymes, which is pretty much genetic.
sgtstedankoNow. I'm confused as fuck, as to your question. Your muscle cells, & your fat cells, & the enzymes that break things down carrying them where you want them to go, are entirely different animals, nooka. I think.... I'm no doc though. So I'm referencing drunken college courses : /
Your muscle cells can't "feed" off of your fat. They either shrink or grow, if you eat properly. Or you create new muscle cells w/hgh... I think.
Chaz32621Thank you yahh just was bubbling around in my head as a what if, and haha I'm here to confuse you lol.
No1Having more muscles just expends more calories throughout the day, nothing ''eats'' fat away
Kind of a multi part question??? I think. If you have more muscle you have a higher bmr which may make it easier to lose weight but just having the muscle doesn't burn body fat. And the first part are you talking something like the palumbo diet?
no...im confused by ur question, thats not how the body works
Chaz32621I'm wondering if my muscles can feed on fat instead of the cals I eat. Hence lets say for instance I only eat 1000 cals a day but in order for my muscles to survive I need say 2, 000 more cals. Being in an anabolic state since I'm on cycle could it be possible for the muscle to eat fat that's store and here's the key to the question and grow/get stronger. I've always thought it couldn't be possible but that dude in the gym was fairly big good big and I just overheard him saying to build more muscle it would eat the fat. Just a random question just looking what people think
LaTTTimer99A couple of these guys here answered your question, but you replied again indicating you still aren't clear -
Anabolic state: steroids increase your bodies ability to properly utilize nutrients, and more quickly build new muscle. To a degree you can on some cutting steroids maintain muscle on a calorie deficit, but this is talking about a very small margin - by no means can you or should you be trying to get by on 1,000 or even 2,000 calories a day!
Like several of the guys told you, I think what you overheard at the gym in a nutshell is this: muscle mass requires and burns more calories than stored bodyfat, IE if you pack on and BUILD more muscle mass, over time your body will be burning more calories.
The key buddy is to BUILD muscle. In order to BUILD new muscle, you must take in MORE calories, not less - that's protein anabolism - you feed your body a steady and consistent (every 1.5-3 hours) supply of low-glycemic load carbohydrates, quality clean protein, healthy fats, plenty of water & vegetables / vitamins. By no means should you even consider taking steroids if you don't grasp this fundamental truth.
The only other thing is throw out to tell you if you don't already know, is that the general consensus is that when you do early AM fasting cardio, you will burn primarily stored bodyfat. But you gotta be careful to get it done quick and get home and eat, because you can go catabolic quickly.
Do you understand all this, or did I info overload ya?
Chaz32621Nope I got it thanks, I was just thinking the what if. Haha and yes fasted state cardio has gotten me down from a 340 to a 220 pounder lol, but I was skinny fat changing that now.
thanks for the time and write up man!!
Even if you are on a cycle your are in a CATABOLIC state if you are only consuming 1000calories.
Your BRAIN alone needs 800-1000 calories PER DAY to maintain proper function
Your body will burn up to 2000 or more calories per day just by performing simple tasks such as breathing a walking and even resting. Add exercise to this and your burning EVEN MORE calories.
You can add all the steroids in the world but with 1000 calories per day you are not gonna see any growth at all. In fact you will LOSE MUSCLE.
What the guy you heard said meant to say was having more muscle increases metabolism. It doesn't "eat fat" but your body will consume more calories to maintain muscle.
Chaz32621Thanks man