posted Sat, 11/14/2015 - 01:40
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Assaults in paris
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Goddamned IS bastards. A new dimension of terror in paris... insane sons of bitches are murdering children, women and men in the name of god. There is no religion in the whole world, which is praying this bullshit... i don't believe in god, but my thoughts are with the victims and their families.
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StevebAllowing people to carry guns will stop a lot of this. They tried it in Texas at the Mohammed cartoon drawing and they got shot real quick
Exaclty !!!
StevebThe Talmud and the Quran are both pretty bad when it comes to people not of that religion.
the Talmud teaches in the 10 commandments thou shalt not kill
StevebNo it does not, you mean the Torah.
It's fucking ridiculous how this catches the news attention when there's similar attacks daily in the middle east (more specifically israel). Innocent men women and children get killed every single day there and nobody ever talks about it. I've personally witnessed some horrific things go on over there and nobody gives a fuck. Why are French lIves taken more seriously?
I think it has to do entirely with race. France has historically been regarded as a white country. Israel and every country in the middle east, as well as damn near every country in Africa, has this shit happen every week and no one even bats an eye.
Or, because it happened in "our" house, and is more relatable.
France is an ally, part of europe, and shares our blood and history; i.e. our immediate family.
I'd be much less interested in news concerning my 3rd cousin once removed than from my own brother. And, even less concerned about a friend of a friend.
I guess when everyone is used to seeing daily suicide bombings all over the middle east and western Asia they become desensitized. When it happens in the west it is definitely out of the norm. When it happens to a NATO country they unleash hell upon themselves.
Unfortunately that's what they want my friend they want hell to unleashed on them. There claiming responsibility for that Russian passenger jet crash with a altimeter bomb. They want to show themselves against 1st rate armies. The French foreign legion is one of best if not equal to our seals and delta. The FFL recruits seals and SF guys from all over the world. The only way we can win is let us go back in like when we first did in 2003 if it moves you shoot it and no journalist. As much as I hate to say it. The rules of engagement just get people killed. If you feel ththreatened or your men you should be able to shoot no questions asked. Let the guys on the ground make the call. But as long as we can't bomb a mosque or hospital or a market full of Isis guys we will never win. They don't care about living or going home to family they live only for war. Everyday they live is another to kill when we just wanna do our job and go home
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The Syrian an . Iraqi army will never defeat isis or aq its all over YouTube look up Syrian war 2015 and Iraq army 2015. We had. This same problem with Iraq and afghan armies. Watch about a dozen videos what do you see in common? They hold there ak47 over a wall and just shoot never aiming or looking over the wall. And the Iraqis are using our weapons doing the same thing. They use to tell us Allah will guide my bullets I don't need to aim. I swear I wanted to snatch him I did say this is why you fucks are losing this war. Now go watch american war vidoes in Iraq Afghanistan. Do you see one person blindly holding an rifle over a wall firing mostly into the air or dirt. No you see well placed shots down range looking down the scope or sights. That's why they went to semi auto in Vietnam to save ammo and make better shots auto has a lot of recoil and not accurate. Machine guns have what's called a cone of fire. But anyone watch the war videos the middle east armies are a joke that blindly fire over walls not aiming several hundred yards from each other. I hate to say it but Isis does a lot of the same but half of them actually seem to know combat tactics and actually aim. Then watch the american vids night and day difference. Only time Americans blindly fire is with a 249 or a 240, 50 etc for suppression fire usually. Side to side sweep 1.5 meters off the ground. But the saw is being phased out and every platoon is starting to have a long range shooter with them now. (Someone who can reach out a thousand yards)
Smartest thing they did was get rid of full auto on the rifles. Wasted ammo leads to wasted lives.
Agree 100% it does, use your 180-200 rounds up in 20-30 mins then what radioing trying to get air drops in the jungle of Vietnam. And going to the smaller 5.56 from the. 7.62 made it so more ammo could be carried per man. Russia followed suit with 5.25 ak74 but IMO a 5.56 is the smallest rifle bullet I'd want in battle. It destroys tissue greatly especially two shots in the chest back to back pretty much explodes it. But unlike a 7.62 it doesn't punch through objects to well. There's a video out it shows 5.56 will go through a 4x4 post. But not 2 and shows the 7.62x39 am bullet going through both 4x4. So its a trade off. But when that 5.56 bullet hits and tumbles its devasting to a human body. On the rifle ranges when you shooting at like a 100 yards when your down range lifting the targets up. You can hear parts of the jacket hitting the concrete and pick them up. The bullet jacket explodes sometimes from just hitting a cardboard and paper target. 200-300 yards doesn't really do it. But close range that bullet has a lot of ass
More deaths have occurred over "religion" than any other human reason in history. Funny...so many different religions....if they're all right, someone's gotta be wrong..................right?
All horseshit....
None of those people deserved to die like that...
TARANISKilling me won't bring back your apples,
Wicker man
Government has killed over 260 million people worldwide.
PallMallI do not agree with the nuclear response and i also do not think ots americas responsibility to hunt the fuckers down. A coalition of special forces needs to be put together to simply hunt the bastards down and eliminate them. The taliban should be used as a model for what needs to happen but the usa should not foot the bill.....
Want to get something done? Take a look at Vietnam and how it turned out? A lot of casualties due to the terrain and our soldiers being unequipped weapon wise. Now go back to when we fought Germany which was on its way taking over everything. Who fought Germany and who helped we did and Russia in a nutshell. We are putting ourselves in this situation being a "peace loving society" caring too much about morals. Well morals do not help when it comes to winning a war or Eradicating horrible people. If we want this to end we need to do something about it. Its pretty clear what we've been doing is not helping. These people are not giving up and everywhere these "refugees" are going issues are popping up. Does anyone know that the united states is also taking in refugees now.... So when are we going to do something? When these issues are happening on our soil, with our loved ones at bus stations and malls? Or maybe Disney land? Putin is doing something and notice they are not having these issues Paris and the other countries with insane gun laws are having. Something needs to get done before things get out of hand. That's my opinion feel free to hate on it. Point being the united states used to get shit done back in the day. Now we are laughed at because they know we won't do things like we used too.
58,209 killed to 1,000,000 Viet Cong dead [Associated Press, 3 April 1995, "Vietnam Says 1.1 Million Died Fighting For North] and 1100 Chinese dead [China and
That was an almost 20-1 KD ratio. We were not encumbered by rules of engagement in Vietnam. We were equipped, we had the Artillery, Air cover and rescue. I should add that after the TET offensive and the My Lai massacre rules of engagement did creep in to the mix and that and politics at home is why we failed in Vietnam.
Egypt air ring a bell?
I don't think anyone is laughing at us. (USA). The fact that we tried to extricate ourselves from two wars is not something to be ashamed of. There is no fixing Afghanistan or Iraq, and there will be no fixing the rest of the middle east either. There will only be blood and death on repeat.
But yesterday a new page was turned and now it is likely that France will call for an ArticleV NATO resolution. That will mean all 28 NATO countries and whoever else joins the coalition (Jordan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Finland and maybe even Russia) will be on the full offensive to eradicate ISIS. Within a matter of days we will officially be at war again...
StevebIt was a failure for the NVA, the US kicked their ass that day but the news reported it differently.
They did more to eradicate ISIS in one month then all of the other countries combined. They are and have been in the fight.
That is what I said. ROE started tho after TET and My Lai.
StevebI was only commenting on the TET offensive. Movies like Full Metal Jacket make it seem like the US had a lot of casualties that day but in reality they kicked ass. We were in Vietnam based on a lie though. A US ship was supposedly attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin but it's know now that they lied to get us in the war. "My Lai", is that a cocktail or some kind of kinky sex position?
I was more pointing out today's artillery and advances we have gun wise, soldier wise etc etc compared to Vietnam it is night and day. More M16s jammed during that war and it caused more death.
I personally think we are being laughed at because the way we conducted ourselves back then compared to now is night and day also. How many need to die before we do something is what I want to know? Or are we waiting for US citizens to die before we get involved? Was 9/11 not enough? Because with all the refugees pouring in things are going to get worse. I would think we'd have to be some type of stupid to think Isis doesn't have insurgents sneaking in with the refugees, I find its a hell of a coincidence that every where these refugees pour in crime rates sky rocket and than things like what happened in Paris happens.
We did extricate from wars but now that war is coming to everyone. Are we just waiting until it comes to us before we get involved?
I don't like war and don't think we should constantly be at war but when do we draw a line? When is war called for? I think now would be a good time instead of countries like us and others who are having financial issues start taking in everyone and anyone.
I think things will get worse before they get better but all the political reasons , and morals need to be thrown out because we are being attacked and I say we as all countries full of innocent people are being attacked by people who have no morals what so ever. So how can we battle an enemy while being political and having morals.
StevebWe should stop getting involved with any of those countries and we would be better off.
Soon enough it will be here refugees are already coming to Florida and a few other States give it time. We don't have to go to other countries they're coming to other countries now not just their own. Obama announced there is 10,000 coming , he actually vowed it after the Paris attack. The cap is 10,000 and will be moved up need be by 2017.
StevebThat 10,000 is on top of the 250,000 Muslim "Migrants" we get every year. Bet you didn't think it was that bad?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/22/report-muslim-immigra...
Not all muslim people are horrid bro. Where ever these refugees go there are problems, im talking the flow of current refugees due to isis bullshit. There coming here now just like Europe and everywhere else.
As I said above. We belong to NATO. When an article 4 conference is called by France for a vote on an Article 5 we will officially be at war. It is all but done. So there is your answer on when we go to war.
As far as us being cut loose in combat, that is a slippery slope. What separates us from the Daesh if we just kill everything that moves? And if you look at our KD ratio's in Iraq and Afghanistan you will see an even more lopsided number than in Vietnam. We are extremely lethal. And we can do it with restraint.
I mean what are your thoughts on it bro? Do you think its good or bad?
I agree we shouldn't be barbaric but we have to change our tactics a little instead of it turning out like prior wars.
You keep mentioning prior wars. We still killed the living shit out of the enemy. Between us and our NATO allies it just doesn't get more lethal. We fuck shit up once we start shooting.
Do I think going to war over there is good or bad. On a personal level I would rather we sit it out and let the countries directly in the line of fire handle it. But we are a founding member of NATO and if France, the UK and the rest of our crew decide we should saddle up I will support them and that includes sending my first born...
AnonThats pretty bad ass pale!
Religion...the most deadly disease...
BennyIronx2
never understood religion.
Certainly the cause of a lot of conflict.
One of the main uk airports was evacuated today due to a "suspicious package". Everybody is now afraid.....
There is alot of control in fear...in some ways I feel they (Isis) only has control due to the fact media gives them a platform. Its a double edged sword I think, fuck giving those inhuman beings any recognition, any publicity, no matter what they do, then maybe watch them fade away back into assaulting each other in caves...on the other hand everyone has a right to the news and the victims of these tragic senseless crimes have a right to be hypothetically heard and mourned.
I think we all can agree taking Sadam out was a huge fkn mistake....
Really true words.... but just because of the so called "religious" fanatic bastards!
The fanatics that take every word from their "book" of "belief" literally...for instance...I was born christian/catholic...whatever...Im not going to execute my neighbor should I see him working on a Sunday...I practice, dont be an asshole to others...natural law, is what all should worship...
Peices of shit cowards.. attacking unarmed ppl in the name of that pedophile boy. Never believed in religion and never will. Now you got these refugees pouring in the gates of Europe every hour so they could spread that shit, F*** that. Let's test the hydrogen bomb.
This shit is to easy for these cockroaches, group of armed men can kill potentially more than got murdered in France. But how the fuck to stop it is what I'm thinking, political parties don't wanna do shit that matters these days more concerned with popularity and staying in power for as long as possible.
It's fucks with my head just thinking about this, a nuclear boooom needs to go off imo, fuck the lot of them. Just get rid, their a menace to the civilised countries of the world. Genocide is the only sure way imo.
Seems a bit extreme reading this back but fuck it, I've not edited a word.
Damned brother. It sounds really hard, but i totally agree. They will not stop, until they get stopped.... so what to do now? A really big boom like you said, bomb them from earth! Collateral damage? Sure, there will be some... but if we don't stop them, the collateral damage will become much bigger!!!
Thats the issue, id be down to drop a nuke on them but the issue is this is a small percentage of people in the country they live in, a group of radicals. So we blow up their entire country kill like 2000 of them and millions of innocent citizens. I guess the administration had no issue with it when it came to japan back in WW2. We blew that shit to pieces and their still fucked up from it 70 years later.
SwoldigerIf anyone is going to nuke them it will be russia
I know what you mean.... but what else should we do?! In fact, they have to be stopped! Doesn't matter how... we have to answer with the same brutality. It will be a never ending story, if nothing happens!
We just need all of europe, and eventually even asia to get on the anti isis program. The sky over middle east will be buzzing with drones.
We also need to print up a couple million muhamed stickers, let their prophets face decorate every road sign around the world.
Something needs to happen or were still going to be hearing about this type of assault in years to come. IS isn't like other terrorist groups, most others are looking for political recognise so can be dealt with in that sense but IS are too radical for that bullshit, they'd takeover the world if they had the power.
That's why it fucks with my head cos what really can be done with these cockroaches.
I have been thinking about this for awhile now and I think we can still pray for them without praying to a God, Deity or what have you. We are praying for peace or for comfort, just because it isn't to a god doesn't make it any more or less heartfelt.
I'm an atheist, but I'll go ahead a say a prayer to muhamed..... that he rein in is frickin wacked out followers.
TARANISMuhammad was a sadistic paedophile Warlord, there following his example.
Well said Pale.
Thats it brother. Thinking the same way.
TronThe problem is we have more dumb people than wise people. Organized religion is killing us all and preventing us all from growing, learning, teaching, and becoming a powerful undivided world.
Organized Religion is regarded by dumb people as true, by wise people as false, and by rulers as useful.