Help with first cycle
Hey there,
I am female and have never used steroids before, however would like to just increase my muscle tone a bit more and would like to build my glutes up a good bit more. I have been training for two years now and I am in good shape, however would like just a little more muscle and to get a little bit leaner, and seem to have plateaued on both these fronts now, even with a good diet, exercise plan with cardio and weights etc. A main problem is that if i do tend to slim down to the body fat that I would like, I also tend to lose muscle, and vice versa- I can't seem to keep the muscle and lose the weight! Really frustrating! I'm 21% body fat and would like to get to about 17-18%.
After doing a fair bit of reading I was thinking of trying steroids, and it seems that Anavar is the one generally recommended for females (although if anyone has any better recommendations- I would definitely consider something else- just bare in mind my goal isn't to be a female bb! Just more definition,particularly on my abs and decent gains on my glutes are my primary goal along with becoming a bit leaner).
I was going to attempt a cycle for about 4-6 weeks, depending upon the results. I have heard that it is best to start off with 5mg per day and increase it by 5mg each week assuming that there aren't any side effects, and keeping it at a maximum dose of 20mg. For example:
Week 1 - 5mg
week 2 - 10mg etc (probably wont increase it beyond 10mg)
I would also split the doses into two throughout the day.
However I was wondering if this is correct?
Is there anything else I need to be doing in terms of my health whilst I am taking this? Do I need to tell my GP, and are there any meds I need to be taking alongside in order to protect my liver? Do I need to taper off the gear towards the end of my cycle, or is it ok to just come straight off if i'm only going to go upto 10mg?
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated in terms of what I need to be doing.
Cheers!
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I'm 25 in one month if that helps.
I eat 100g protein per day. I generally keep the calories in under 1500, and I lose weight and muscle, I increase the calories and the protein a little and build the muscle back but put fat on, try to lose the fat and bingo, lose the muscle. I eat exceptionally healthily, lots of veggies and protein.
Is 21% body fat a lot then? Didn't think it was particularly bad.
I just wanted help to build a bit more muscle, and then supposing the weight hadn't shifted, my focus would be more on removing the excess weight after the cycle.
BigBaby I would have considered primo but I have heard there are a lot of fakes out there for that one. Didn't want to risk it.
That helps, but doesn't change the fact that people should not give you advice on AAS usage. It's the rule, without any exception.
But anyway, you really don't need it at your state. You train since 2 years and there's absolutely no need to jump on the AAS train. Rather use the time to read yourself into the field as much as possible and in some years, if you still feel the need for AAS usage, feel free to get back here again for advice but I highly recommend of learning as much as possible on the basic fundamentals first. ie. about nutritioning, dieting, proper training. AAS won't change much as long as you don't have those nailed down...OK, it will change smt. and by that I mean the money in your pockets. It would only be a waste of gear, money and time if the mentioned things above aren't in check.
That being said, 21% isn't fat at all and 17-18% sounds like a decent goal, if that's what you really like. Anyway, don't focus to much on a specific bf% but rather go for how you feel and by the mirror. The appearance on bf% differs for every person and being to focussed on a specific number, can lead to a screwed perspective because you're might be to focussed on the wrong things.
If you're cutting, try to keep the protein a bit higher. At least 1.2-1.5gr/pound of bw.
To me, you're kcal seem a bit low. Have you always eaten that low? Always considered that you might have a bit of a damaged metabolism?
Yes sir thats where i was going also....metab mite b sluggish for starters and cals should b up around 2000-2200 with 40/35/25 splits and adjust from there....5 or 6 small meals per day should jump the matabolism into gear....training / workouts also need to b addressed but hasnt posted anything yet
How many meals do you eat per day?...what r your macros splits?..
Post up your diet, macros , training regiment.....an adjustment here is all you need to get your bf down and reach your goals! Plain and simple! Im happy to help you with this or will point you to someone who will.....hard work and dedication in the kitchen is what you need..not gear!..
WTF is wrong with you?! Just because she's a female it doesn't mean the rules don't apply to her! She's sub25! Or am I wrong here????
First off, you need knowledge, not gear! You're most definitely not at a point where you're stalling because you're that far in a cut or similar. Something is wrong, that's for sure, but it comes down to the basics.
What does a "Good diet" mean to you? I hear this alot "Nutrition is in check" " Diet is on point" and in the end, it's everything else but not good. Share the info.
Much of what you're saying sound pretty newbish to me. Do you really have a good training routine? Would you mind sharing it as well?
And by the way. Sub 25, you probably won't get any advice on gear, that's for sure. And I honestly don't think that it's really needed for where you're at.
she may or may not be ready but we don't have the same body fat standards that we hold for men...
we don't have the same issues with estrogen that makes it a big problem for men .. i will agree that the diet and training might need some tweeks but she has been informed that at this bf percentage she will not see the results of losing belly fat like she wishes...
as for me I havent been sub 10% for 20 plus years and have no plans on stepping on a body building stage furthermore, I run my bf around 18% and like to keep it there ... you might call me fat or just plain wrong but you can't argue with my results in the gym ;-)
Cheers ;-)
Thanks, but I am aware of the bf differences in genders. I actually never referred to BF.
Sub25 was regarding her age! Am I wrong with that we don't give any cycle advice to sub25? Doesn't it apply to females on this board?
That being said, it seems to me that the basic fundamentals are not in check at all. Stalling at her current state can occur of course but with a few adjustments she should be able to continue losing weight. Stalling at 21% bf and then thinking about AAS simply shows me that first off all, there's definitely a misconception about AAS ans obviously no understanding of proper nutritioning and dieting.
Anyway, to you know ;)
I don't consider 18% being fat and if someone does, who's the person to judge? Everyone has different goals they want to achieve and everyone should decide for themselves how they want to look, feel and perform. Further, the setpoint for best performance is different for all. For some the sweet spot might be lower, for some it might be higher. I am a powerlifter, so I mostly care about performance and it's like you said, some may find some powerlifters fat, but it's obviously not their focus to be as aesthetic as possible but rather to perform the best in their field.
So, fuck those people who judge other peoples moral, goals or anything else ;)
My take on that, feel free to do whatever you want. if whatever makes you happy
my bad I didn't translate sub25 into age ...
seriously its never been an issue here in the ladies lounge ... i suppose admin will have to step in and make a judgement call.. we don't have the same growth potential issues as you men do either but who am i to say what is the rule and what is not ...
most women end up being coached by men (boy friends) who have no idea at all what is right and proper as far as starting points etc and to top it off no one seems to have the sense to do some reading either... there isn't any info hidden here that would keep someone from running a beginner cycle
as for fat I could care less unless it is making my life uncomfortable and my clothes dont fit but at my height and weight not very much fits correctly anyway
Yeah, but could say the same about saying "sub25". In this context it can easily be referred to BF. Now we're on the same page ;)
I actually coach a lot of female lifters but nothing in regards to AAS usage. But yeah, I can imagine that many treat female athletes like male athletes and there are huuuge differences in setting up a proper training routine and the same holds true when it comes to dieting.
Mike israetel just published an eBook about programming dieting for female athletes. I think it's a good addition for everyone who likes to know more about training, dieting and stuff. Even for male athletes who don't coach. You never know enough ;)
Neither do I know. That's why I asked if I am wrong with the rule not holding true for females. Even though it's a different thing regarding hormonal stuff, I still can imagine that it's somehow the same for wman due to the endocrine system isn't generally fully evolved until the age of 25.
Totally get you. And this is what it comes down to. Nobody lives your life and no one is in your skin. So only you should care. Less to say 90% of the people are fatter and unhealthier anyway. ;)
Agree! The advice to add more gear below is about the most irresponsible thing I've heard!
I agree with kodiakgrrl...being that you 24yrs old you should be able to loose the body fat with proper diet and exercise. It would be best if you made a plan. Diet and loose the fat to get to your desired body fat, then up the calories and lift heavy to build muscle. I held 13% body fat for 2yrs before ever touching gear, the diet was spot on, no cheating, no booze and lots of sleep and a lot of lifting and cardio. If I can do it in my 40's, you can do it! Its not easy but if you want it bad enough you'll do it! I know that if you have ii in your mind to do it, there isn't much we can say to stop you but please read Kodiakgrrl's post about Anavar and really pay attention to neg sides and think.... if you didn't get the results your expecting but did get some nasty sides, would it be worth it? Some of the sides never go away!
at 21% body fat there is no steriod that is going to help you define your stomach and get rid of belly fat... any gear at this point is going to make you look and feel thicker .. yes you will lose some fat but the rate of fat loss compared to muscle gain is not going to equal itself out and your fat loss will be slower than the muscle gains....
you can taper off the dose to help your body adjust to the deprivation .. there are no meds that need to be taken
I suggest you get baseline labs to start with just in case you need a reference point at some time
Hey, I'm a pretty experienced user and a male but there is more than just anavar as far as sauce goes. Anavar is good, but from my experience women are also safe taking low does of primabolin as well, sometimes I have my girl take small doeses of winny too. As long as you are dealing with compounds that do not have strong androgenic side effets (eg. oil, acne, hair growth) you should be alright. But in my opinion, take it or leave it you always want to be on point and do your pct because especially for a woman you are introducing you body to chems that it will adjust to and then need to be weined off of.