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Introduction + First cycle prep

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Hey guys I’m new here.
I have been reading a lot on bodybuilding forums for the past years but never actually joined one. Currently I’m planning out my first real cycle. I have done an anavar and winstrol only cycle in the past. I’ve never been able to lay hands on quality AAS but now that I found out about Eroids it shouldn’t be a problem. The anavar only cycle I didn’t gain much out of it and the winny cycle I got leaner, gained a few pounds and my strength increased. Which for me at that time was a successful oral only cycle.

My current stats are:

Age: 28
Length: 6”0’
Weight: 156.5 lb
BF: 8%

Before I get a comment about my stats, I would like to mention that I’m aware that I should not start a cycle with AAS (and I won’t). I am here mostly to gather information and prep my next cycle. I have been suffering from anxiety and depression on and off for about 3 years now. During the pandemic and closing of the gym everything went a lot worse for me. I was always eating clean and going to the gym 6-7 times a week and most of the time I enjoyed every minute of being there. Then when the gym closed, I tried working out with what I had at home but it didn’t take long before I lost all motivation to eat clean or do anything at all. I went from a very healthy lifestyle to a couch potato. And to top it off I started smoking weed for the first time in my life which I got addicted to very quick, I couldn’t go a day without because it took my mind of things and I could finally fall asleep without problems. My weight was always fluctuating between 174 and 183 lb before the pandemic, I was not satisfied with this weight but I felt confident with how I looked. Then when it had all gone to shit, I dropped down to 136 lb which I thought would never even be possible for me to drop this low again.

About 5 months ago the gyms finally opened up again, I started lifting again, stopped smoking weed and started searching for help for my mental problems. I found myself a psychiatrist and got Venlafaxine (antidepressant) and Trazodone (sleep aid) prescribed. Because I reacted very bad on the Venlafaxine my anxiety and stress shot through the roof, for 3 months everything got even worse for me. I was lifting but I could only eat 2 meals a day. My lungs also took a big hit because I was constantly hyperventilating and having panic attacks, I still have problems with my lungs now (I don’t smoke cigarettes). I got off the Venlafaxine and now I take Vortioxetine also an antidepressant, it’s a newer one and should have lesser side effects. I’m still starting up so I have no idea if it will help me in the long run.

I’m not here for pity, I shared all this so I can have the best advice for myself.

My goal is to gain lean muscle mass, I don’t want to run around bloated because of water retention. I will start when I am above 175 lb and my mental health is in good condition, I would like to be at least 190lb after PCT but I will strive for more. I have been reading on these forums for a couple of days before I started this post. Doing all this research and writing this post motivates me. Planning this cycle so far ahead gives me something to work towards, by getting closer to my goal every week should only make my motivation and drive grow even more. I’ve had bloodwork’s done couple months ago because I know low t levels can also be the cause of depression, my testosterone was at 288ng/dl. I will do bloods again when I feel I’m ready to start my cycle, then again 6 weeks into cycle and 4 weeks after PCT.

The cycle that I think would be good for me is:

Week 1-6 winstrol @ 50mg/ed (I wanted to try good anavar, but the source I will use is out)
Week 1-12 test E @ 500mg/wk (pin 250mg 2x/wk)
Week 1-12 proviron @ 50mg/ed
Week 3-14 Aromasin @ 6.25-12.5mg /ed

PCT:
Week 15-18 Aromasin @ 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Week 15-18 Nolva @ 20/20/10/10
Week 15-18 Clomid @ 100/100/50/50

I will also be taking Liver support. I’ll start this at least 2 weeks before the cycle and run it for 4 weeks after PCT.

NAC 1g/ed
TUDCA 300mg/ed
Milk thistle 1g/ed

I start Aromasin week 3 so I can see how I react to the estrogenic side effects the first weeks even though I take proviron to lessen these, then I will start with 6.25mg aromasin/ed and see if it’s enough for me. If my nipples become puffy or sensitive, I will bump it up to 12.5mg/ed. The low dose might be enough for me but I don’t know if there is a synergetic process between aro and provi. As a kid I’ve had painful cysts behind both nipples 2 times, at the age of around 12 and at 16. Not knowing what these were at the time I tried to destroy one at the age of 16 by squeezing it as hard as possible. I couldn’t destroy it but there was a whiteish liquid (like 2 drops) coming out of my nipple and I only discovered a few days ago by doing research about AAS that this was breastmilk. I never knew this was possible for men before. So, I do know that I have to be careful for gyno.

I have not posted anything about my meal plan and I won’t right now. I’m having a lot of trouble eating, I can only eat 3-4 meals a day and just try to eat as much as possible. In a few weeks when my appetite is better, I’ll work out a meal plan, stick to it and adjust as needed. I’ve had a few personal coaches and have learned a lot about food.

Few questions that I have:

Does proviron work synergetic with Aromasin? Like because I take provi I could get away with a lower dose of aromasin or should I just start with 12.5mg because I’m gyno sensitive? I will do bloods week 6 so if needed to I will bump it up.

Has anyone experienced bad side effects from taking antidepressants on cycle?

I’ve looked into caber but I don’t think I will need this. Also, I think caber will fuck me up. Any opinions about this?

Thank you for reading and sorry for typo’s, I’m from Europe. I’ve never really had any new year’s resolutions and even though I’m already working on this, I’m looking forward to what next year is going to bring.

I wish all of you great gains and a happy new year already!

UncleYoked's picture

I feel you're over using the aromasin here and there's no need for caber, but I'm going to graze past this whole cycle to offer alternative advice.
Messing with hormones with depression can be a very bad combo, many suicides have occurred and while AAS may not be the root cause, I have the unpopular opinion that they are a contributing factor when it comes to depression.
Get some blood work done now just to see where everything is at for your own personal health, maybe read up on raloxifene for your nipple issues.
It sounds like you have some serious mental health issues to resolve and the gym could be your perfect medicine but AAS is not the answer yet, I understand you're not looking to cycle until you've reached a higher weight but maybe consider aas when you've found yourself in a better headspace altogether. If you're going to go for it no matter what, maybe try starting a little slower, consider safer alternatives like peptides and shelf supplements (not PH). GHRP6 is great for appetite stimulation via ghrelin which in turn can 'help' with anxiety and depression. Can also have some effect on progesterone.
Good luck bro

Miczilla's picture

Hey man, thank you for your time reading and your feedback. Currently still working on better headspace and weight.

Had a setback begining this your ended up in emergency department because of corona. They checked my blood and everything is fine. My TSH was slightly elevated but nothing to worry about.

I have been looking into mk-677 for appetite but will look into GHRP6 a little more. Probably not going to touch anything for the first few months.

UncleYoked's picture

mk677 is along the same lines, in fact, I'd go with mk over ghrp for the simple ease of use. MK is one of my favorites

Miczilla's picture

I will probably start with the lowest dose aromasin but it all depends on the advice I get here. I'll have bloodworks done mid cycle to check my e2 etc.

Miczilla's picture

That's the plan my friend. I have done research about Tbol before, but don't really see why it would be a better alternative to winstrol. Mind if I ask why you would choose Tbol over Winny?

Makwa's picture

I would put another 40lbs or so before thinking about running a cycle. Should be pretty easy once you start eating normal.

Miczilla's picture

Getting 20lbs of weight should be fairly simple once I get my appetite back. I feel like getting 40lbs would put me at my max weight I would be able to reach natural if I went all in for a couple more years. My body type is ectomorph. I will see how my road to my old weigth goes and if it does go smooth I'll just keep going until I reach some serious plateau's. Thanks for your advice.

Miczilla's picture

185 is definitely possible. And I agree, I should try to make the most out of it.