+ 35 Why I don't use Tren anymore, and never will again
The dogs in the street know that Tren is a psycho.
Sure, there are outliers who can eat it all day long without suffering the way you or I do, but they are few and far between. When I was young, I could use it at high doses without getting crazy, and I did, for years on and off. But it has taken it's toll on my mind, along with other things. Now I suffer all of the sterotypical sides, moreso with tren a due to its high peak, but also with tren e. From heyday high doses, I now cannot even handle 100mg Tren E pw without succumbing to high BP, flipped lipids, and cognitive annihilation. You name it; my bird is a cnut, the world is a wanker, and I will smash your jaw around the back of your filthy head etc. etc. Disgusting really.
Some of you will remember the study from about 3 years back, many wont, and lot's wont care. But, you should.
Some very smart chappies out of China's Shandong University studied rats to see what Tren was doing in the brain. Now before you cry foul of the poor little rats, remember that their endo system is more or less the same as ours. Mammals are good like that, generally speaking.
Anyway; they discovered that beta amyloid plaques were accumulating in a very significant way in the brain. They realised it was plaque 42 which the brain doctors firmly accuse of being a leading cause of Alzheimer's Disease.
Shiiiiiiit..... right?
Yeah but the die hard won't give a crap and sure we have all been there at some point. But, the study went further. It actually figure out that it is the standard mediation of effects via the androgen receptor that caused it. They also realised there is significant neuronal damage taking place..... wait for it......it KILLS brain cells too....
OH FUCK!
So after years of the strength gains, the slow muscle building gains, and the fat burning magic of tren
I realise something isn't right. MY brain does not work the way it did before. There are many factors for that, but when it is really off it feels the way it does on tren (the sterotypical bad effects). So... anecdotally speaking, damage has been done.
So, I cannot handle it, but it also kills brain cells and is gradually potentially causing Alzheimer's.
I'm out...... for good
There is hope though
Alzheiner's is an area where there is massive scientific interest and significant investment. Recent studies showing new proteins can clear the plaques and prevent more from forming. You might also want to take a look at this study, courtesy of Carlos Danger: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3169155. This is far more accessible than the protein which is very far from being realised as any sort of treatment.
So, it's up to you, as always.
What you do is your own business and some of us are adults here on eroids too! But for me, even though there is hope down the line for some of the damage tren causes, I dont want to end up in a position where I have already forgotten about it! I also don't want to keep killing brain cells, nor do I want to feel the cognitive destruction that tren causes anymore. It accumulates with time, and retrospectively I can swear to you that it is not worth it.
References
http://www.ergo-log.com/trenbolone-may-increase-alzheimer-s-risk.html - I have the full study, if anyone wants to read it, it is eye opening, I can email it to your anon email addey, just PM me.
https://www.sciencealert.com/new-protein-injection-reverses-alzheimer-s-...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3169155
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Edited to add the following link from Carlos Danger: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3169155
Edited to add, from BJ: Mineral volcanic water for Alzheimer’s: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22976072/
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Re: tren, I would imagine natural clearing happens but there would be a significant buildup. These animals were treated for 48 hours with only a minuscule dose equivalent to .85mg/kg - thats nothing compared to any BB dose. The buildup was massive.
However the most concerning thing is that it directly causes apoptosis of neuronal cells, so, a serious form of degradation happens. This said, I would say that the most seriously at risk of Alz's re: the amyloid plaques are those with existing risk markers for Alz's disease.
I looked at that pep a while back (a relation has Alz, so was researching). Honestly, I doubt it. It lowers toxicity but I dont think it removes the plaques. It certainly wouldnt prevent neuronal cell death imho.
https://www.sciencealert.com/new-protein-injection-reverses-alzheimer-s-...
Looks like they made a drug that removes the plaques maybe there's hope
Yep, thats in the post already brother! Didnt you read it?!!!
I'm guessing he's currently on a tren cycle lol
Haha I am. Not sure I want to pin it again though
I'm guessing you're right!!
I bought some tren a amps a while ago because it was a good deal, planning on using it a few cycles later, as soon as I had it in my hand I was scared of it! As time went on I decided I wasn’t even going to try it, even the milder sides seemed like it wasn’t going to be worth it.
Now every time I open the cupboard and see it I shake my head at myself for even buying it!!
Bin 'em Rob! Get rid of the temptation bro!!
I've given up on it as well. Did not make me angry at all, but did some odd things to me emotionally. Side that are known to come with oxytocin. Increased empathy and jealousy. I still behave a little different than I did before tren, and I only used it for a month plus a few low dose additions to test cycles
Not to mention, I need my cardio more that I need lean mass.
Here is what I was feeling 3 years ago. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/tren-changed-...
That is batshit crazy Burrr; "Tren could probably be used for marriage counseling.",
LOL
Isn't it amazing, the difference between the various types of changes in thinking people seem to experience. I mean from zero empathy (me) to more empathy.
Honestly, it just makes me scratch my head.
I am like CB, empathy goes out of control. But it also increases my aggressive tendencies as well. Basically all emotions are enhanced. But after a few runs with it now, (after the last run in particular) I know I can't do it anymore. Everyone, even people that only communicate online with me knew I wasn't right.
And to top it off according to my DNA I am at a bit higher risk for Alzheimers.
Well thanks a lot for sharing that, that's very personal.
It is funny, looking from my perspective; I just cannot imagine a scenario where I become more empathetic with tren, almost a polar opposite. It really is nutty how different we all are.
Check out the work they are doing at the moment with ketones for Alz's. There seems to be a good bit of promise with it and there are plenty of companies selling exogenous ketones now too. Great way to keep the mind sharp in general, too.
Cheers man.
He looks like a seductive snake and son of a bitch .... He always frightened me, I was told that I was a coward, maybe, but I think I made a correct choice .... Thx bro.
Seductive but absolutely destructive. Not worth it, just not when you consider those studies proving the brain damage..
+1 good post bro...I personally never used tren or have a desire to do so for the reasons listed above... that stuff beats the shit outta you in so many ways.. I'll get where I wanna be with light cycles and self discipline
Please write a post about your approach Bro! More people need to think that way!!!
You know what bro when I got some time I will.. it will be my first post in the forum too so a good topic to start with is awesome
People will appreciate it man. The more good vibes the better.
I use tren because I feel fine during the cycle, not agressive, no swaeating and so on.
BUT I hate people who use it although they get aggressive, beat their wifes, kids or anyone else and know that tren is "killing" their mood!
Good post bro! ++
This is it man. Different strokes (no pun intended) for different folks.
Yeah for me, due to underlying issues, it really impacted my thinking and behaviour with the Mrs. (not ever violent or anything like that, but snappy grumpy paranoid etc). For me, that is totally unacceptable now, because I will end up dead, or worse; kill some twit, or get locked up.
No bueno.
The brain damage is the most worrying though in general terms. That sucks and like smoking or getting fat or whatever, its a slow burner we can ignore too easily.
Achilles412Thanks for the info. Was a tren user myself until I got blood results back and saw my lipid profile. Never again
Yeah the lipid flipping is something that happens to a hell of a lot of people. Not everyone, but I would suggest most users from what I see online / about the place.
That's a real eye opener. I hope it helps someone in their decision making. I wont lie....I bought some before I did any research here. Websites describe it as the most seducing compound out there. Your average uneducated newbie (as I was looks at it like "Hell Yeah!) In the end I now own an expensive dust collector. Thanks for your time and knowledge. +1
Respect Fang.
We were all there once man. When I started taking AAS, there hardly was an internet. Not like today at least. But here we are, so hopefully people just take a minute to read a bit of the evidence and think differently to how you and I once did, ya know!
My very first cycle was in my late 20's. No internet just bro science. My "vet" friend had me stacking sustanon and primo for 12 or 14 weeks. Been so long I cant remember. The pyramid amounts were 250 to 750 back to 250 the last 3 weeks. I was a tempermental wreck. Estro all over the place, no AI's and no PCT. Ive said this before and I'll say it again....thank you for this great site. That's why I feel I have an obligation to contribute what I can, when I can. Also thank you for a clear educated approach with your posts. Keep on keeping on.
I've been advocating this to my guys for a while..
Once again on point, direct and very informative. You're doing a great job for this community with these write ups. I hope to see more in the near future.
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Spot on Goose.
Yeah and that's the point really. The more that read it, that see your words here too, hopefully, the more that make better choices.
+2 what's crazy is the amount of guys on here useing it with no results.
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Achilles412No results and not only using but using an absurd amount
This is it Sam and Achilles. It's the definition of insanity. Lose a little fat? wow. Get a little stronger? Wowee.
So fkn what, you're killing yourself slowly.
Nutty.
Achilles412I can’t really say much I was in that category myself when I was younger and didn’t care then I took the time to actually educate myself/ listen to smart people which I wish most Cats didn’t
Another good write up! I've only tried ace once for a couple weeks leading up to a comp that I was doing for strength, aggression etc but had to cut it short because of how I felt and I'm pretty sure I was on my way to being locked up. I'm with you. Done with it.
Cheers Jay. This is it man, it can literally put you in the big house.
Someone will read this some day man, they will see what you have said, corroboration, and will hopefully make better choices.
How did the comp go man?
Very well! Awful lot of fun. If I had come in about 4 lbs lighter I would have placed better but honestly I could care less. Beat the hell out of my body leading up to it though so I probably wont be doing another anytime soon.
One ticked off the bucket list.... for now! Until the bug bites again lol
AnonYou have always and continue to speak very proper and have a great vocabulary of words, which makes me think you are a very smart person, (way smarter than me) if your brain doesn't work like it used to and you currently seem extremely smart, just how damn smart did you used to be compared to now?
If I was smart, I'd have cottoned on to this a long time ago. Don't play coy with us Juicebox... you are a fisherman, eat what you kill and love motorbikes... this displays an exceptionally high level of intelligence, clearly to % ranking!
I'll tel you something man, usual nonsense... my old man, the most intelligent person I know, would put anyone to shame in terms of the topics he takes interest in. He is a sponge, better than any Phd I have met.... and so on. Complete underachiever. Terrible father. Amazing to everyone outside of his immediate family, super smart and interesting, generous too, but did nothing with me as a kid, basically the complete opposite to us, his family as he was to outsiders. He, pretty much... has no emotions. Not his fault, due to childhood etc etc. So intelligence doesnt mean jack, when you aren't emotionally connected to those you love/who love you, cant make money, and achieve nothing much at all in life, just coast/exist. It is all about the quality of relationships you have with those closest to you, imo, the thing that bring real happiness. That's a form of intelligence to value.
Solid as hell. It’s all about bringing up the realities and letting people decide for themselves. ++
Thats is B. We are (mosty) all adults here lol
;-)
Great write up, definitely one I may never touch, I know my BP and anxiety would go through the roof. +1 from me and thank you.
Respect k. Yeah tren is an anxiety monster.
Deammm good read.
+1 and saved for later reference.
Personaly I won't ever agien put my fingers on halo, had mental breakdown, slight split personality and rage that you don't even understand is there. And even when you stop taking it, these sides last long after.
You did the right choice here brother.
Cheers n. Thanks for sharing re: halo. Thats really interesting and frightening. my story is very similar. I reckon someday, someone will use the blue magnifying glass, they will read this post and what is said here is gonna help them steer clear from tren and halo.
Yeah man.
Our parents teach us the way we should learn from their mistakes, but in real work we all know that most of the time we learn from our own stupidness. Well.i most certainly did.
Before I used halo I read and watched bunch of info on here and YouTube and other forums. All of them said- don't do it if you not experienced enough, and even then, don't ever do it if you are aggressive, easily agitated etc person.
And I was like.
Fuxk it- I know better.
And that can never happen to me.
The time I used it- I actually destroyed my relationship with wife, friends, family. I did stupid shit here in forums. Made bad ans poor life choices. Only small part of us will know what I am saying here, but it's true.
There are substances out there that are harsh, and should not be used if you don't know what you are doing.
We all learn this different way.
I'm happy for you and the decision you made here. And wish you all the best.
Cheers man, respect.
Good read brother! I remember back in the day when we made tren ourselves out of the finaplix pellets. I used that shit like no tomorrow. Now of course you can buy it any where. The mental sides didn't affect me nearly as bad as they do today, anxiety, paranoia and so on. So I do believe there's a cumulative effect after years of use. I avoid it nowadays for the most part because the sides just outweigh the benefits to me.
Agreed big D. The very same. (also, getting old sucks lol)
Yes it does but it beats the alternative lol